POGIES CLOSED

[nklinesider]

mayday, it means that the comercial sein netters arent allowed to fish for them in the bay anymore. recreational guys fishing can continue to use them for personal use but the commercial game is all done until further notice

[clambelly]

Originally Posted by nklinesider

mayday, it means that the comercial sein netters arent allowed to fish for them in the bay anymore. recreational guys fishing can continue to use them for personal use but the commercial game is all done until further notice

just a question based on this statement...

are the commercial seiners selling ALL of their catch to the local bait stores to be used as bait for either fishing or lobstering??

if so, why then are recreationals allowed to continue to snag them and use them as bait if the commercials are now banned from taking them? i don't get that logic. if the reason for the closure is to PROTECT the species, why oh why are people still snagging them and using them for bait?

i guess it's just one of the those double standards. either that or you think just by snagging a few you're not really putting a dent in the population. but then you see that net and it makes you sick. well, they all end up in the same place, on the end of someone's line hunting for striped bass...

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by clambelly

if so, why then are recreationals allowed to continue to snag them and use them as bait if the commercials are now banned from taking them? i don't get that logic. if the reason for the closure is to PROTECT the species, why oh why are people still snagging them and using them for bait?

Or it might be because a few rec guys can't wipe out an entire school, leaving no forage for the resident bass like some commercial outfits can.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by clambelly

just a question based on this statement...

are the commercial seiners selling ALL of their catch to the local bait stores to be used as bait for either fishing or lobstering??

if so, why then are recreationals allowed to continue to snag them and use them as bait if the commercials are now banned from taking them? i don't get that logic. if the reason for the closure is to PROTECT the species, why oh why are people still snagging them and using them for bait?

i guess it's just one of the those double standards. either that or you think just by snagging a few you're not really putting a dent in the population. but then you see that net and it makes you sick. well, they all end up in the same place, on the end of someone's line hunting for striped bass...

no different than for other fish. Commercial and recreational are not always open at the same time. Most species the season is driven by dates. For pogies, there is a limit on the amount that the draggers can take, the estimate is they have reached that limit so now it is closed.

[clambelly]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

no different than for other fish. Commercial and recreational are not always open at the same time. Most species the season is driven by dates. For pogies, there is a limit on the amount that the draggers can take, the estimate is they have reached that limit so now it is closed.

So there is an open/closed season for recreational use of pogies?

And I will agree that the commercial operations do take their share..hence the numbers. But don't be niave and think there aren't a whole lot of recs netting and snagging more then a "few". Those numbers add up.
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[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by clambelly

So there is an open/closed season for recreational use of pogies?

And I will agree that the commercial operations do take their share..hence the numbers. But don't be niave and think there aren't a whole lot of recs netting and snagging more then a "few". Those numbers add up.
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The motivations of someone performing an action for profit or for recreation are unmistakably different. As demonstrated numerous times throughout history, when man is allowed to mine a resource for profit unrestricted, he will take the resource to the brink of extinction in order to maximize his profits and without consideration of the effects on other aspects of the environment or other people.

Recreational fishermen have not invested millions of dollars fine-tuning, upgrading and making their fish mining equipment the most efficient in the seas. Commercial pogy vessels have.

If we want stripers to flourish (or all marine life, minus the seals), we must protect the bait. Allowing the unrestricted mining of the forage is asking to screw up the whole balance of the oceans.

Please don't compare apples to oranges.

[clambelly]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

The motivations of someone performing an action for profit or for recreation are unmistakably different. As demonstrated numerous times throughout history, when man is allowed to mine a resource for profit unrestricted, he will take the resource to the brink of extinction in order to maximize his profits and without consideration of the effects on other aspects of the environment or other people.

Recreational fishermen have not invested millions of dollars fine-tuning, upgrading and making their fish mining equipment the most efficient in the seas. Commercial pogy vessels have.

If we want stripers to flourish (or all marine life, minus the seals), we must protect the bait. Allowing the unrestricted mining of the forage is asking to screw up the whole balance of the oceans.

Please don't compare apples to oranges.

it is not apples to oranges. we are talking about the same thing. i am not advocating for more commercial harvesting. i want the same thing you do, more pogies.

the sad part of this whole thing is that the recreational fishermen who harvest pogies for their own use are not bound to report any of that. so who is to know how much is actually being taken.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by clambelly

So there is an open/closed season for recreational use of pogies?

And I will agree that the commercial operations do take their share..hence the numbers. But don't be niave and think there aren't a whole lot of recs netting and snagging more then a "few". Those numbers add up.
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there is no recreationsal closed season for stripers or bluefish either.

[Pt.JudeJoe]

This only means that for now the commercial taking of pogies in Narragansett Bay is stopped. That could change if they find more coming into the bay.The most likely scenario is that the boats will go to Jersey and get them there and truck the bait back.There will be pogies for bait ,it just won't be in as good shape as the local ones.It's been this way for many moons.

[Mr. Sandman]

Now maybe some of them can get past your gauntlet of nets and make it up here for christsakes.

commfisherman = greedfishermen

There hasn't been a bunker here (in any real number) in 20+ years.

[bobber]

I thought the reduction boats were outta the Bay..... that Arc was there for bait purposes only???? over a million pounds sure seems like a LOT of friggin baits.......