Boaters

[nightfighter]

I am a boater, but have seen my share of horror stories with fishermen, be it gunning up to a school of bait or a blitz I was on, only to have their stupid high speed approach put them down....Weekends are the worst. I am usually off the water by 10AM on weekends.
Fly guys in boats are the biggest PIA to me. Sunday I was anchored, set in tight to the rocks with boulders either side of me about 4-5 feet below the surface... and this longwand a-hole in his Regulator asks me if I would mind moving so he can get a few casts in tight....
Last year I had a couple on from the mid west, who wanted to troll wire, as he had read up on different saltwater techniques. So I brought a wire set up out of mothballs and we were doing OK, with a handful of decent bass. A boat also trolling the area, but not catching kept cutting across behind us close. I called out on the radio to him asking for a little room, and his retort was that he didn't know I owned the Atlantic. Half hour later it happened.... his prop caught the wire. I remembered what Capesams told me he had done in this case, I put the reel in freespool and let him have it. The jerk took all 150 yards and wrapped it around his prop. Stopped him dead in the water. Whatever it will cost me to refill the reel someday will be worth it. I heard him call SeaTow, and later found out it cost him $650.00

[2na]

Hard not to weigh in on this one. I am subject to boats coming too close almost every morning once an hour after 1st light. The regulars who pull wire across the Race know where the wall is and where the shore guys can throw to, but the offenders are almost always day trippers and charter captain running across the bay. As sound travels very well across water, I let them know that they are too close, and if they ignore me I shout out to keep an eye on my (tin or popper), then I launch it over them. They tend to listen very well after that and stay off the beach, but it gets tiresome doing it week after week. I just don't get the boat mentality that they have to crowd the beach, and they expect the beach guys to wait for them to pass. Ignorance/stupidity or selfishness - who knows? But it happens far too often.

As TT says, we oftentimes have made a lot of effort to get to our spot, and we don't have the mobility to quickly move a mile or two. On the other hand, you are in a boat and have vast expanses of water to comb - go somewhere else.

[ThrowingTimber]

approx. 200 square miles of bay and this j.o parks in front of me.

[freebie]

Hull gut can be a killer everyone buzzes close to the shore there, never been spooled but have seen others

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber

approx. 200 square miles of bay and this j.o parks in front of me.

Vic I understand what your saying, but to play devils advocate If it was at night maybe he did'nt see you, and he may have left the dock with every intention of fishing that honey hole cause he knows it from fishing it on the boat all the time. Does'nt make it right, just sayin.

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber

approx. 200 square miles of bay and this j.o parks in front of me.

It was probably Clammer....he can't see sh!t...and he luvs u TT....

[piemma]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

It was probably Clammer....he can't see sh!t...and he luvs u TT....

Hey, Dave's back!!

Come hoooooome. Come Hoooooome.
We missssssss you.

[beamie]

TT,
I know what your talking about but some food for thought........this coutesy has to go both ways. i.e. if there was a boater all alone drifting or wire lining a rip that is in throwing distance from shore hooking up pass after pass what do you do when your the second one there? How many surfcasters would keep walking? Or would they try to get a few casts in, in between passes? Hard call isn't it. That boater may have a bigger wrist rocket and bigger nuts!!!

One of my local spots along a breakwater I have been unintentionally guilty of this as a boater. Even in the daylite it was so hard to see a guy in the rocks till after your by him. He was bait fishing and not plugging but on my next pass I stayed a bit more outside.

[ThrowingTimber]

Originally Posted by beamie

TT,
I know what your talking about but some food for thought........this coutesy has to go both ways. i.e. if there was a boater all alone drifting or wire lining a rip that is in throwing distance from shore hooking up pass after pass what do you do when your the second one there? How many surfcasters would keep walking? Or would they try to get a few casts in, in between passes? Hard call isn't it. That boater may have a bigger wrist rocket and bigger nuts!!!

1. I was there first I glassed the area before I started my bowling ball walk. Had there been anyone there boater, surfcaster etc. I would have moved on.

2. He flew over once he saw a fish being landed. And was so close I could see his electronics, turned their(2 of them) backs to shore and basically cut me off from the hole I was fishing. I called them d.bags and assorted other stuff before I threw rocks around them, and not at them. Mind you they were only about 20yds from the tips of my boots.

Threw so many damn rocks my shoulder is sore He finally realized he wasnt going to catch anything with my rock throwing , and I realized I wasnt going to catch anything with him power drifting through the hole.

The intent here was'nt to start a pissing contest and I doubt this d.bag is a member here I just needed to get it off my chest. paddling out to his mooring field with a sawzall crossed my mind but that just aint right.. I dont want to get sent back to anger management class

[BigFish]

Vic I can see you swimming out to his mooring with a cordless Sawzall clinched in your teeth!!!

[Green Light]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Vic I can see you swimming out to his mooring with a cordless Sawzall clinched in your teeth!!!

LOL.

If Van Staal and Dewalt start talking...I know where it started. .

[ThrowingTimber]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Vic I can see you swimming out to his mooring with a cordless Sawzall clinched in your teeth!!!

I'd use his own tender. Then slice that in half right down the middle as well

Remember that old whaler ad where they sliced the whaler in half?

[beamie]

Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber

The intent here was'nt to start a pissing contest and I doubt this d.bag is a member here I just needed to get it off my chest.

Nor my intent either. In your case you have every right to be pissed.....

[Van]

I've spooled a couple of surf guys in my day. Not intentionally, but it happens. HEY why are you fishing in a channel where boats frequent. It's not my fault.....but boy he must have been PO'd. I took both his lines.....Opps.....He had time to reel them in and I had no other place to pass in that area.....Oh well.....

[Brian L]

Originally Posted by Van

I've spooled a couple of surf guys in my day. Not intentionally, but it happens. HEY why are you fishing in a channel where boats frequent. It's not my fault.....but boy he must have been PO'd. I took both his lines.....Opps.....He had time to reel them in and I had no other place to pass in that area.....Oh well.....

Yes..

Since I fish shore and surf, I've experienced both sides of the coin. For every boater that drives in on a surf guy, there's a surf guy that just has to cast in front of the boat guy entering or exiting a channel, harbor, etc... Courtesy is sooo easy to have, yet some have none. I still believe most people are on the courteous side, though.

When I exit C-Town breachway, I'll carry a fog whistle to signal guys on the end if they arent' looking or can't hear my motor over the surf. If someone is hooked up, I wait in the channel(unless the tide is roaring out) until the fish is on the rocks. If I'm coming in, I'll circle a couple hundred feet out in front to make sure nobody's drifting or fighting a fish in the outwash. I'll then give a hand wave to the guys on the rocks letting them know I'm coming in. If it's nighttime, I'll flash my headlamp white/red/white/red.. as I'm driving in. I feel as if that's the right thing to do. Any other suggestions from anyone? It IS nice to see most of the guys on the rocks giving a wave when I get through.

Despite all that, I've still had people cast right in front of my boat as I enter the breach. Had one guy lightly cut my daughter's neck with line when his plug caught the rocks across the breach and went up over my bow two summers ago. Thank god he was fishing mono, that cut would've been a lot deeper with braid.

[stcroixman]

Same crap 2 nights ago at my favorite LMB pond. it is everywhere.

[Rockfish9]

This is an age old battle.. that doesnt need to be... I"ve seen some ugly battles in my 40+ years of fishing..I fish from a boat.. I also fish from the surf.... I rarely fish during the day.. and nevr on weekends... when I fish, I ride the last curl of the wave.. that is where the fish are, I'm not trolling with the main motor, I'm under electric power.... if I come across a surfcaster, it is an easy enough matter to point my bow seaward, speed up the motor and slide by out in deep water.. when I've passed I'll turn shoreward... it's easy... I've had surfcasters show up AFTER I've aleady made several passes.. I dont mind sharing... hold your cast until I pass bye.. it wont take long.. if you have a fish on or a line in the water.. let me know.. I'll accomodate... there is plenty of room for everyone... If I arrive and there are sufcasters present.. I keep going.... ...Most nights.. I never see another sole when I fish the beach front..I'm glad i dont fish the cape.

There is a whole new breed of fisheman out there.. some have absolutly no respect for others....and I agree, it gets worse every year... back when the fishing was tough, the only ones fishing were the die hards.. and every one ( well almost everyone) got along.. since the resurgance of the Striped bass, people have come out of the wood work, when the fishing is easy, everyones an expert...maybe a down turn in the striper population would be a good thing...

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Rockfish9

maybe a down turn in the striper population would be a good thing...

If the striper population is flourishing and it means I have to deal with complete morons, so be it.

I'd rather the stocks be healthy.

[westhavendave]

Just remember if they are in a navigable channel and just going from point A to point B through the channel, surfcasters fish at thier own peril including gear. I don't own a boat but have also seen discourteous shore fishermen give crap to boats just making headway through a narrow channel. Courtesy goes both ways, and violence either simulated or real should not even be in a shore fishermans gameplan. I really get pissed when I read about guys saying they will launch a hopkins or some lead at a #^&#^&#^&#^& in a boat, what you are doing is tantamount to intentional assault, just because some fish were scared away. What do you think would happen if you hit the guy or one of his passengers? I find that intentional action even more reprehensible than a googan boater fishing in front of some surfcasters. Yell all you want just don't resort to violence. Sorry for the rant, lack of common sense and basic manners is the norm it seems these days.

[Back Beach]

Originally Posted by westhavendave

Just remember if they are in a navigable channel and just going from point A to point B through the channel, surfcasters fish at thier own peril including gear. I don't own a boat but have also seen discourteous shore fishermen give crap to boats just making headway through a narrow channel. Courtesy goes both ways, and violence either simulated or real should not even be in a shore fishermans gameplan. I really get pissed when I read about guys saying they will launch a hopkins or some lead at a #^&#^&#^&#^& in a boat, what you are doing is tantamount to intentional assault, just because some fish were scared away. What do you think would happen if you hit the guy or one of his passengers? I find that intentional action even more reprehensible than a googan boater fishing in front of some surfcasters. Yell all you want just don't resort to violence. Sorry for the rant, lack of common sense and basic manners is the norm it seems these days.

Good post.

If I'm shore fishing and a boat pulls up I'll either just leave or let them have at it for a while. They'll eventually move on. The best night I had this year so far featured boats anchored up or drifting just beyond the end of our casts for three hours.

[SAUERKRAUT]

[QUOTE=2na;704095]Hard not to weigh in on this one. I am subject to boats coming too close almost every morning once an hour after 1st light. The regulars who pull wire across the Race know where the wall is and where the shore guys can...

2na and Flap: Yet another reason a couldn't bring myself to buy a P'town sticker this year. I can fish anywhere from 20-40 round trip miles closer along the sandbar beaches that keep the motors and the boaters away from my shallow inshore terrirory.

Now, if I could only figure out how to get around the mung problem and the seal problem...

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I am a boater, but have seen my share of horror stories with fishermen, be it gunning up to a school of bait or a blitz I was on, only to have their stupid high speed approach put them down....Weekends are the worst. I am usually off the water by 10AM on weekends.
Fly guys in boats are the biggest PIA to me. Sunday I was anchored, set in tight to the rocks with boulders either side of me about 4-5 feet below the surface... and this longwand a-hole in his Regulator asks me if I would mind moving so he can get a few casts in tight....
Last year I had a couple on from the mid west, who wanted to troll wire, as he had read up on different saltwater techniques. So I brought a wire set up out of mothballs and we were doing OK, with a handful of decent bass. A boat also trolling the area, but not catching kept cutting across behind us close. I called out on the radio to him asking for a little room, and his retort was that he didn't know I owned the Atlantic. Half hour later it happened.... his prop caught the wire. I remembered what Capesams told me he had done in this case, I put the reel in freespool and let him have it. The jerk took all 150 yards and wrapped it around his prop. Stopped him dead in the water. Whatever it will cost me to refill the reel someday will be worth it. I heard him call SeaTow, and later found out it cost him $650.00

Thats Awsome..

[Roger]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Fly guys in boats are the biggest PIA to me. Sunday I was anchored, set in tight to the rocks with boulders either side of me about 4-5 feet below the surface... and this longwand a-hole in his Regulator asks me if I would mind moving so he can get a few casts in tight....

I don't know - most fly guys I know wouldn't do that, including me. Maybe it was because he's a Regulator owner - you know how they can be.