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Old 08-16-2009, 08:31 AM   #1
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That's exactly my point, fix the programs that are in the system now.

Start with immediate savings, Tort reform and allowing interstate competition among health care providers.
Well, there's a pretty good argument that says the system needs to be re-engineered rather than re-tooled. I don't know if you can bring tens of millions of new people into a dysfunctional system and expect some potentially modest (or longer term) cost savings to offset.

What's interesting in all of this, is that the plan most liked by the Whitehouse hasn't even been put out for public consumption. All this bickering is about the progressive plan from the House which doesn't stand a chance of moving forward as is.

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Old 08-16-2009, 11:01 AM   #2
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Well, there's a pretty good argument that says the system needs to be re-engineered rather than re-tooled. I don't know if you can bring tens of millions of new people into a dysfunctional system and expect some potentially modest (or longer term) cost savings to offset.

What's interesting in all of this, is that the plan most liked by the Whitehouse hasn't even been put out for public consumption. All this bickering is about the progressive plan from the House which doesn't stand a chance of moving forward as is.

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Just about all the Government plans, Soc. Security, Medicare, Medicaid and nowthe Postal Service are close to bankruptcy.

These Government programs are always seen as an affordable panacea and end up costing billions and now trillions
more then projected.

Doesn't bode well for another Government plan that will prove unaffordable
and put even more burden on my kids and Grandkids.

I agree that the current ridiculous Congressional program doesn't look like it will make it through as is,
fortunately Obama wasn't able to force it through 2 weeks ago like he wanted!

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Old 08-16-2009, 11:08 AM   #3
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fortunately Obama wasn't able to force it through 2 weeks ago like he wanted!
I think Obama was just looking for a vote, not actually getting anything through...

The word is the Whitehouse has worked a number of inside deals with the Industry and is waiting to put these in the Senate bill.

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Old 08-16-2009, 05:41 PM   #4
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I think Obama was just looking for a vote, not actually getting anything through...


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That is a looong reach. Obama would have given up his LEFT arm to
pass that bill exactly the way it was.

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That is a looong reach. Obama would have given up his LEFT arm to
pass that bill exactly the way it was.
Don't agree...the Senate wasn't any where close to a bill...

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Imho, and seeing the recent Bills passed under Obama with his Party in control over both Houses passing them with lighting speed,
HC would have flown past the Senate.

It's Obama's MO, and HC is his "signature piece."

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