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[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

which bill JD?...you say "the bill"...there's the bill from congress, the Kennedy version in the senate and whatever bill version is in Obama's head....and the dems are spewing different versions/views/interpretations of each...

There's actually only 1 bill, with a version in the House and one in the Senate. You may be surprised by this.... but that's how every law is created.

As such, I'm talking about the bills that could actually become law. As seen below:
House Version
http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
Senate Version
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im....care.bill.pdf

The discussion should be about the above, not some hypothetical bill that Republicans are drafting via the media.

[scottw]

you can continue to be a smart ass but again, it's the dems running around with vastly different versions of what's in the bill, what will be in the bill, what cannot be in the bill...when it will be voted on....and Obama is going to give yet another lame ass lecture on the subject that noone will watch....seems to me his extended 15 minutes are up.."the bill" is now less popular than Hillary Care...the actual debate should be...why are they continuing to cling to this farce?

STATISTS will be STATISTS

jd "She is such an ass without a clue." QUOTE

YOU ARE AWARE THAT "SHE" IS INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH THE WRITING OF THIS "BILL" ?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

you can continue to be a smart ass but again, it's the dems running around with vastly different versions of what's in the bill, what will be in the bill, what cannot be in the bill...when it will be voted on....

I'm not being a smart ass, just accurate. I see no point in arguing "what might be" when there are a number of issues with "what is". My issue with the Repubs when it comes to this issue is that I think they're conflating the subject and merely working towards next year's elections, as opposed to logically addressing the issues within the bill. My issue with the Dems is that in my opinion the bills *drafted* do not effectively address the issue of rising health care costs. Does anyone even remember that is where this all started - to curb rising costs?

jd "She is such an ass without a clue." QUOTE

YOU ARE AWARE THAT "SHE" IS INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH THE WRITING OF THIS "BILL" ?

I disagree. The bill will have to be completely redrafted should there be a change to a single-payer system. If the Democrats want to have Health Care Reform formally drafted and voted on before the end of the year, they don't have that kind of time.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Does anyone even remember that is where this all started - to curb rising costs?

You're missing the point. ScottW doesn't think there's a problem with the current system, so he's perfectly happy just exploiting the situation by spouting random and/or false information to cause confusion.

Sean Hannity would call him a great American.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I'm not being a smart ass, just accurate. I see no point in arguing "what might be" when there are a number of issues with "what is". My issue with the Repubs when it comes to this issue is that I think they're conflating the subject and merely working towards next year's elections, as opposed to logically addressing the issues within the bill. My issue with the Dems is that in my opinion the bills *drafted* do not effectively address the issue of rising health care costs. Does anyone even remember that is where this all started - to curb rising costs?

sorry about the smart ass remark, it wasn't meant in a mean way..I just feel like you are sticking to a circular argument...you expect particulars on a fishing website that can't even be provided by elected officials and the administration...the bill is not intended to curb rising costs which is why that is not effectively addressed in your opinion...between the house and senate version there's nearly 2000 pages of vague legal muck, so mucky that I can cite the specific part of the bill and you can say, "it doesn't say that" in virtually every case, this was done intentionally...the intention is clearly government take over of the American healthcare system...which is why it needs to be opposed...show me any place in the nearly 2000 pages where government is limited? and I want the names of those 50 million uninsured people without healthcare.....prove that they actually exist

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by scottw;709035}

I want the names of those 50 million uninsured people without healthcare.....prove that they actually exist

That would be a good start, because again #s have been thrown around
from 5, 12, 23, 27, to 50 million. Once the true # is proven, the next step should be what are the costs and how will we pay for it.

Essential marketing questions.