Health insurance

[justplugit]

I saw some poll figures yesterday:

Doctors are against the current proposed HC plan 2 to 1.

45% of Doctors said they would retire if the plan went through.

Where are all these Doc's coming from to handle another 20-50 million people
under this new plan?
The wait to see a specialist is long enough now.
My family had 2 occasions within the last 6 months to need specialists.
It was a 6 week wait to see a neurologist and 4 weeks to see a gastroenterologist. Then another 3 or so weeks to get the tests and wait for the results.
It's like 7 -9 weeks before you know what's wrong.
Imagine what it would be if HC passed.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by justplugit

45% of Doctors said they would retire if the plan went through.

RIIIIGGGHHHTT...
and 2 out of 3 dentists say...

I agree there are issues, but a line like that begs for a follow up..

Did they only interview doctors over 60?
I can't imagine the doctor who is 45, experienced, finally set-up and comfortable with a career, maybe has his loans paid off, to suddenly retire... right...

[justplugit]

I can only tell you what the poll said.
Having said that even if it was only the over 60's, that were fed up and retired, there still wouldn't be enough Docs to fill the breech.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

I can only tell you what the poll said.
Having said that even if it was only the over 60's, that were fed up and retired, there still wouldn't be enough Docs to fill the breech.

There aren't enough doctors now in most areas with current demand. Some primary care physicians see over 100 patients in a day.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

There aren't enough doctors now in most areas with current demand. Some primary care physicians see over 100 patients in a day.

I've said this before. Most good doctors coming out of med school now, go into research because of the cost of malpractice insurance. Being a doctor isn't as glamorous as tv makes it out to be. Would you want to spend all day looking at lesions on peoples skin, or looking down someones throat while they're coughing all over you? Or better yet, how about having to tell parents that thier kid has a terminal illness. Most medical jobs, as people like JD who have worked in the field can attest, suck. And the money in being a doctor isn't what it used to be.

[Joe]

My sister's boyfriend is a 60 year old doctor - his average face time with a patient is 7 mins.
He gets $150 minimum for an office visit. His hobby is collecting cars.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

There aren't enough doctors now in most areas with current demand. Some primary care physicians see over 100 patients in a day.

It will only get worse under Obama Care. I saw a poll that had 45% of Doctors leaving the practice if this passes.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

It will only get worse under Obama Care. I saw a poll that had 45% of Doctors leaving the practice if this passes.

You Lie!

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

You Lie!

-spence

You've just been rebuked. Now go and say hi to Mr. Wilson for me while you're in SC.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

RIIIIGGGHHHTT...
and 2 out of 3 dentists say...

I agree there are issues, but a line like that begs for a follow up..

Did they only interview doctors over 60?
I can't imagine the doctor who is 45, experienced, finally set-up and comfortable with a career, maybe has his loans paid off, to suddenly retire... right...

yep, Rock, it was probably like that CNN poll of Obama's speech where they polled 45% democrats and 16% republicans to find out what percentage of Americans were swayed by the messiah's words...

I know several young doctors that have closed their practices because they were tired of dealing with paperwork, insurance and regulatory nightmares....particularly related to medicare and the restrictions put on them...some just work for various clinics now and one volunteered at the VA for a while but found he spent most of his time filling out paperwork instead of doctoring...

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by scottw

I know several young doctors that have closed their practices because they were tired of dealing with paperwork, insurance and regulatory nightmares....particularly related to medicare and the restrictions put on them...some just work for various clinics now and one volunteered at the VA for a while but found he spent most of his time filling out paperwork instead of doctoring...

Yes, having worked in the medical field and still having contact
with a few physicians, i know how they feel about medicine now,
let alone what it may become.
Many are going into ER Medicine because there are set hours and they
don't have the headaches of overhead and paper work.

[scottw]

it's not just the "providing" of health insurance for everyone, you have to consider that once you begin providing it you have little control over how much the providees will use it, compounding the problem that you mention above...when you are getting something from the government or your employer that you think is your entitlement, you really have no reason not to overuse it, after all, you deserve it, don't you?

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by scottw

it's not just the "providing" of health insurance for everyone, you have to consider that once you begin providing it you have little control over how much the providees will use it, compounding the problem that you mention above...when you are getting something from the government or your employer that you think is your entitlement, you really have no reason not to overuse it, after all, you deserve it, don't you?

Yup, that's why the people in Japan go to the Doc 4 times more than Americans.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by scottw

when you are getting something from the government or your employer that you think is your entitlement, you really have no reason not to overuse it, after all, you deserve it, don't you?

LOL, just reminded me of my Mother-in-law. About 20 years ago the government
was handing out cheese every month to senior citizens.

She had a decent income and needed cheese like she needed a hole in the head.
But every month she would line up with the others and brag she got her "free" Cheese.

Little did she know, she and i were paying for it with our taxes.

Ya get nothin for nothin.

[Joe]

[QUOTE=justplugit;712156]LOL, just reminded me of my Mother-in-law. About 20 years ago the government
was handing out cheese every month to senior citizens.

She had a decent income and needed cheese like she needed a hole in the head.
But every month she would line up with the others and brag she got her "free" Cheese.

Little did she know, she and i were paying for it with our taxes.

Ya get nothin for nothin. [/QUOT]

We subsidize the dairy industry in case there is a problem with cows getting sick or producing bad milk in one area of the country, they can quarantine or destroy them and the country can still have milk from other parts. Milk is a necessity for children, the subsidies insure that we always have a safe milk source.

[justplugit]

[QUOTE=Joe;712206]

Originally Posted by justplugit

We subsidize the dairy industry in case there is a problem with cows getting sick or producing bad milk in one area of the country, they can quarantine or destroy them and the country can still have milk from other parts. Milk is a necessity for children, the subsidies insure that we always have a safe milk source.

Good point on always having a safe milk source.
In the 40s and early 50s the subsidy helped the family farmer with milk
prices as, if i remember right, they were only getting 9-11 cents/GALLON.
It helped some of the hardest working people we had, working 14 hours/ day 365/a year round to stay afloat.

Now with a lot of big combines doing most of the farming I'm not crazy about subsidizing to protect them except maybe
your point.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

THIS SYSTEM IS %$%$%$%$IN BROKEN

This is Ma Commonwealth Choice renewals for 12/1/09

%$%$%$%$ MEEEEEEEEEE

I hear you. One of the pains of self-employment.

Try and get under a long-term agreement now. It's only going to get worse from here.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

House Passes Health Care Bill On Close Vote - Health News Story - WCVB Boston

LET'S see where we go from here.....

As a self employed individual my gut feeling is we are sooooooooo %$%$%$%$ED now.

$16k a year and 5 years jail time in 2016 if you don't pay it......GTFO of here.

imo pelosi is even more of a scumbag than I thought she was before.

I'm sure your gut is right.

A 220-215 vote doesn't sit well with me, especially on a bill that will bring massive changes to the way health care is run in this country.

I think Pelosi lives in a constant state of delusion.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I think Pelosi lives in a constant state of delusion.

How she ever got Speaker is beyond me, and being 2 heart beats
away from Commander in Chief is really scary.