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[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

You want your company to pay for you to go to the gym. Do you go to a gym now?

For the twelve grand that the company pays towards my health care I get more then my monies worth. I wish they would pick up my 20.00 dollar co-pay I could go get one of them juicy burgers.

I want my HMO to pay for my gym membership - with proof of activity. It's a dual incentive. I get healthier, feel better and save some money. The insurance company pays less because I'm healthier and at an extremely reduced risk due to activity.

I have always been an advocate that the morbidly obese, smokers, proven alcoholics with liver cirrhosis, heroin users with Hep or HIV similarly self-inflicted health issues should *not* be covered by insurance.

No different than being sent to the hospital for alcohol poisoning for drinking too much - which would not be covered by my insurance.

[Fly Rod]

You just want to watch them young ladies sweat.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

You just want to watch them young ladies sweat.

Half the reason I sometimes go to the gym "just to do some Cardio".



...alright, maybe more than half.

[scottw]

waaaa.....I want someone else to pay for my healthclub membership...are you kidding me? will this also be included in free universal healthcare?

"What I ask, is for how much we spend, why aren't we more healthy as a group?"
-spence

this is nonsensical....spending more on healthcare should make us more healthy as a group? noooooo....lifestyle choices, genetics and environment affect the overall healthiness of a group but not spending on healthcare...it's expensive because it is advanced and it is good and you can try but you can't nanny state legislate whether or not an individual is going to be a unhealthy or not....you can pay for the best health insurance/ healthcare in the world and he'll still be unhealthy, Ted Kennedy...what are you going to do tax him, force him into a government mandated exercise program, with a government mandated diet monitored by government fat agents? actually, it wouldn't surprise me....

It's idiotic that my company won't bother to sponsor 25 dollars a month for a gym membership

it's idiotic for you to expect someone else to pick up the tab...

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

waaaa.....I want someone else to pay for my healthclub membership...are you kidding me? will this also be included in free universal healthcare?

Actually, many company plans offer this as an incentive to change your lifestyle. If private companies are offering perks like that, then it must make some business sense......

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Actually, many company plans offer this as an incentive to change your lifestyle. If private companies are offering perks like that, then it must make some business sense......

It's been proven that companies that promote health lifestyles have lower health care costs and higher productivity in the office.

With all the money companies hemorrhage on training, professional development and other programs that are often an excuse to get out of the office, what's $25 for the health of the employees? I pay more than that just for my guys to take lunch on a professional development day.

[scottw]

what's $25 out of your pocket to improve your own health? how about being responsible for yourself rather than looking of a gimme...

Spence asked...

"What I ask, is for how much we spend, why aren't we more healthy as a group?"-spence

healthy people/populations don't need and/or use the healthcare system as frequently and therefore spend LESS

the exception would be a population enjoying free government healthcare like Japan where they take full advantage of the entitlement to it's detrement

higher spending on healthcare does not translate keeping healthy people healthy....that's up to them, unless you plan to force everyone to live a healthy lifestyle.."for the good of the State"

Actually, many company plans offer this as an incentive to change your lifestyle.

this is fine Rock, it's optional but we now have statesattacking through taxation products and activities that they "the State" deem unhealthy, it's just the beginning to government telling you what you may and may not do regarding your health...especially if they are providing your healthcare services...

Obama stated that most of healthcare spending is near the end of life..this is certainly not spending on healthy people to keep people "healthy", it's spending for procedures necessary to keep them going as their bodies break down....in some cases due to some degree of unhealthy living but ...they're old....

"What I ask, is for how much we spend, why aren't "those old people" more healthy as a group?"

"What I ask, is for how much we spend on education, [B]why aren't we more educated as a group?"

"What I ask, is for how much we spend entitlements, ........

note that as soon as you guys start down this road to socialized healthcare to any degree you immediately start to dictate what others should be doing regarding lifestyle...really? a free gym membership is the solution to a healthier America? you can't be healthy and exercise unless someone gives you a free gym membership???? Are you going to wheel the unwilling into a gym and beat them till they exercise or just fine and jail them???

I think we are defining WE differently these days........

[scottw]

[QUOTE=JohnnyD;714401]It's been proven that companies that promote health lifestyles have lower health care costs and higher productivity in the office.


really??? are the companies somehow paying for the healthcare?

they might negotiate lower health insurance premiums if they can prove that their employees are somehow healthier than the norm or the average...hmmm...that will require some monitoring...


The “employer’s share” of employees’ health-care costs comes out of those employees’ wages, not out of profits. Employers aren’t forcing their employees to pick up a larger share of the bill because they can’t. Workers are already paying the entire bill. Regardless...YOU are paying for your health insurance ultimately unless you are getting some kind of goverment entitlement....

where exactly is this proven again?