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10-15-2009, 07:46 PM
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Seldom Seen
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Whaddya think?????
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“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
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10-15-2009, 08:16 PM
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Registered User
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He's full of ice for sure.
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10-15-2009, 09:25 PM
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thats cold
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10-15-2009, 09:41 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
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He stuffed it I bet. Just my .02 cents. The weight is just too close to the previous top blue. What some people will do!  |
Almost time to get our fish on!!! 
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10-16-2009, 09:15 AM
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Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Marshfield
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Who knows. I could go both ways on this. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. I think the officials did the right thing though.
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"Sunshine Day Dream"
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10-16-2009, 09:26 AM
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Middleboro MA
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I know how ferocious blues are and they chomp at everything. it takes a while for them to die in a cooler. I wouldn't doubt it if the fish swollowed some ice. I know I ain't ever sticking anything in any blues mouth with all those teeth, what kind of tool would you use to get ice all the way down into a bluefish's stomach? I suppose it could happen either way.
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10-16-2009, 10:29 AM
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Seldom Seen
Join Date: May 2001
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My opinion is the presence of a foreign object, even ice, in the fish's stomach leads me to think it was put there unnaturally. Every blue I've ever brought in has been regurgitating baitfish it has already eaten, in its attempt to free itself of the hook... If it had been my fish in the same circumstance, I would expect I would have been disqualified from the Derby, which would include the leading bass as well. It just puts a stink on the whole tournament, which will no doubt cast a pall on his presence on the stage as current leader in the boat bass division.
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“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
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10-16-2009, 11:26 AM
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Oblivious // Grunt, Grunt Master
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: over the hill
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Another tournament, another cheat. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Any ice swallowed by a live fish is going to melt from the fish's body temp. Any fish cold enough to preserve ice isn't alive enough to swallow it. Bluefish die with their mouths shut (or barely open). Even if a small ice cube got past their teeth it is not going down their gullet without something pushing it. As for several ounces of ice? Please!
Classy guy.
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10-16-2009, 11:34 AM
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Too old to give a....
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Indubitably  |
May fortune favor the foolish....
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10-16-2009, 11:45 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2004
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I'm always leary of a fish someone says they caught on the "first cast of the first morning" but who knows??
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10-16-2009, 11:49 AM
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Here fishy fishy
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Whoville
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This guy's giving me a bad name
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10-16-2009, 12:02 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Years ago, In Maryland , A guy did the same thing.
His issue was he had 2 little boys with him .
They sent him out the door , it was ugly. I still have it all on video someplace ><>.............
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10-16-2009, 12:34 PM
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Middleboro MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by numbskull
Another tournament, another cheat. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Any ice swallowed by a live fish is going to melt from the fish's body temp. Any fish cold enough to preserve ice isn't alive enough to swallow it. Bluefish die with their mouths shut (or barely open). Even if a small ice cube got past their teeth it is not going down their gullet without something pushing it. As for several ounces of ice? Please!
Classy guy.
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well there you go George 
that explains it enough for me
they way the guy says about stuffing it into the ice in the cooler several times is suspicious , I can maybe see some ice getting into the throat but not the stomach.
another reason I don't enter OTW since the first year.
cheating is just like stealing |
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10-16-2009, 01:09 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Newport, RI
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Its funny the sides of people that come out during these tourneys.
Thats why in my eyes you cant beat the small club tourneys and a tourney like the Habs. Just good freinds, socializing, and some good fishing in between.
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10-16-2009, 01:33 PM
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Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by numbskull
Another tournament, another cheat. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Any ice swallowed by a live fish is going to melt from the fish's body temp. Any fish cold enough to preserve ice isn't alive enough to swallow it. Bluefish die with their mouths shut (or barely open). Even if a small ice cube got past their teeth it is not going down their gullet without something pushing it. As for several ounces of ice? Please!
Classy guy.
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OK this clinched it for me. CHEATER! |
"Sunshine Day Dream"
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10-16-2009, 01:51 PM
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Also known as OAK
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
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It is pretty rampant.
Wasn't A formerly well known charter capt was caught in a tournament with two frozen soda bottles inside a large bass during a tournament? Talk about blatant!?
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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10-16-2009, 01:55 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2004
Location: South of Boston
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Iceman 6
This guy's giving me a bad name
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The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope. ~John Buchan
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10-16-2009, 02:48 PM
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President - S-B Chapter - Kelly Clarkson Fan Club
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Rowley
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sounds like this guy thought he had a good plan - well it may have been, since it didn't get booted.
Like we've said before, cheats are everywhere in these high-profile things.
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10-16-2009, 02:56 PM
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Very Grumpy bay man
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Rhode Island
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That's OK. I know someone who poured lead shot into a plastic bag, wrapped it in small bubble wrap and shoved it into a 32# bass to make it 38 and beat his best friend in a tourney.
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No boat, back in the suds.  
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10-16-2009, 03:23 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Iceman 6
This guy's giving me a bad name
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i have a cold and a head ache
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10-16-2009, 03:26 PM
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Too old to give a....
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Maybe if you need to have a contest you should do it by overall length. Longest to heaviest what does it matter.
If we hunted people what would be a better trophy, a fat guy or a tall guy?
Hard to cheat length.
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May fortune favor the foolish....
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10-16-2009, 04:41 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2004
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numbskull wrote:
"Another tournament, another cheat. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Any ice swallowed by a live fish is going to melt from the fish's body temp. Any fish cold enough to preserve ice isn't alive enough to swallow it. Bluefish die with their mouths shut (or barely open). Even if a small ice cube got past their teeth it is not going down their gullet without something pushing it. As for several ounces of ice? Please!
Classy guy."
obviously you guys who have posted don't slurry your fish because if you did you would know that the fish, whatever kind they may be, get stuffed with the ice slurry when your running in. and the fishes body temperature doesn't melt the ice either, because it's in a slurry of ice and salt water.
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10-16-2009, 05:04 PM
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Seldom Seen
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Quote:
Originally Posted by surfkaster
numbskull wrote:
"Another tournament, another cheat. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Any ice swallowed by a live fish is going to melt from the fish's body temp. Any fish cold enough to preserve ice isn't alive enough to swallow it. Bluefish die with their mouths shut (or barely open). Even if a small ice cube got past their teeth it is not going down their gullet without something pushing it. As for several ounces of ice? Please!
Classy guy."
obviously you guys who have posted don't slurry your fish because if you did you would know that the fish, whatever kind they may be, get stuffed with the ice slurry when your running in. and the fishes body temperature doesn't melt the ice either, because it's in a slurry of ice and salt water.
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Uh....I have slurried fish more than a few times, and run with them in the slurry. However, I don't think a slurry would have "stuffed" cubes into the cavity of a bluefish, where it was found upon opening the fish. FYI, given the majority of the posters here, this ain't their first rodeo.... |
“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
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10-16-2009, 05:48 PM
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Oblivious // Grunt, Grunt Master
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by surfkaster
obviously you guys who have posted don't slurry your fish because if you did you would know that the fish, whatever kind they may be, get stuffed with the ice slurry when your running in. and the fishes body temperature doesn't melt the ice either, because it's in a slurry of ice and salt water.
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The internal temperature of a living bluefish at this time of year would be 65 degrees. Any "swallowed ice" is going to melt long before external cooling lowers the temperature to 32 degrees. Also, have you ever tried to pick up and weigh ice slurry? The committee found ice chunks in the fish which they put on a scale and weighed. I've cleaned literally thousands of bluefish over the years that were kept on ice for hours. I've never found ice in any of them. Then again I've never had one that might win me a tournament if it gained a few ounces. Seems that this dude did. Believe what you want. He is still on the board with a leading bass......wonder where that might have been caught.  ........but I don't fish the Derby so it doesn't matter to me. |
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10-16-2009, 06:22 PM
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surfwalker
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cape Cod
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I am going to be politically incorrect and state my opinion–bluntly.
It is absolute bull….that a live bluefish would swallow ice cubes in a cooler. It is bull….that a bluefish, being jammed into a cooler headfirst would be forced to swallow an ice cube, either alive or dead. The gullets of even the largest bass and blues is a muscle, and a tight closed structure… either when the fish is alive or when dead and rigor mortis sets in.
That an experienced fisherman would state these hypotheticals as explanation for ice cubes in a fish gullet impugnes him.
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10-16-2009, 06:23 PM
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Soggy Bottom Boy
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Billerica, Ma.
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I think he is A big liar
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10-17-2009, 08:53 AM
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: franklin ma
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Consider this point...
The guy already had the leading boat bass entered in the derby. When a fish is weighed into the vineyard derby and it takes first place, the weigh station attendant cuts the fish open and inspects it for foreign matter...everyone knows this.
With this said, the guy's leading bass was most certainly opened up and inspected. Given this fact, the guy would have to be a complete fool to intentionally stuff the bluefish full of ice, would he not? He had to know it would be cut open.
I can't believe it was intentional,but at the same time I'm at a loss to explain how that quantity of ice got in the fish's gut. The committee must have reached the same conclusion, otherwise they would have disqualified him from the derby, not just the bluefish.
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It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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10-17-2009, 08:58 AM
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Soggy Bottom Boy
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You have a good point Mike, I guess he is the only one who knows the truth
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