is the year-of-the-young index out yet?

[Mr. Sandman]

While I don't deny it's not the best statistical sample but it is a somewhat consistent sample that has been taken for 63 years and shows some general trends even if you ignore the absolute numbers themselves...besides what is the fishery guys doing to get a better sample?...Oh yeah, I forgot, they are being forced by the feds to create a saltwater fishing lic...this will fix everything 50 years from now, IF they use the money correctly and require all fishermen to report their catch.

Moreover, if you look an any other trends from any source do you see improvements of any kind? All I hear is "according to the best science available" the fish is not over fished. Their best science is pretty bad if you ask me...if this fishery goes to the point of collapse again I think recs should demand prison sentences for all those working in the fishery departments. I am serious.

[numbskull]

[QUOTE=Mr. Sandman;717861]...besides what is the fishery guys doing to get a better sample?...Oh yeah, I forgot, they are being forced by the feds to create a saltwater fishing lic...this will fix everything 50 years from now, IF they use the money correctly and require all fishermen to report their catch.

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Actually, the more likely outcome is that the data obtained after the registry begins will establish a new "baseline" which they then will consider the norm for the population....even though it is only a shadow of what we once had.

[l.i.fish.in.vt]

''or if we were stupid we'd have a kayak'' it is amazing the differance a few hundred feet can have

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by l.i.fish.in.vt

''or if we were stupid we'd have a kayak'' it is amazing the differance a few hundred feet can have

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

besides what is the fishery guys doing to get a better sample?..

How about doing real sampling on the spawning grounds every spring? MD DNR has been doing sampling up in the spawning rivers for years. BTW- they are also the ones that do the YOY survey. NY DEC also sample the Hudson population in the spring. If you want to really get the facts start at http://www.asmfc.org/speciesDocument...tockStatus.pdf