I Don't Care What Anyone Says........ - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Sea Dangles · 10-27-2009, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

Can anyone answer this?

How many stripers do we need to have in order to keep everyone happy? 50 pounders every other cast? 60 pounders every third cast? On what do you base your opinion of the fishery?

I think there's a lot of ego involved too. You have a less than stellar year and suddenly the fishing stinks.

How many??? Next question.
50's or 60's??? What are you smoking?
My opinion is based on the reports of my friends who fish. Both the comm's and rec's who, in most cases, had subpar years.
Ego? Yeah it sucked for me but my observations are not based solely on my experiences.
I hope I am wrong but I don't think I am.

Back Beach · 10-27-2009, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

How many??? Next question.
50's or 60's??? What are you smoking?
My opinion is based on the reports of my friends who fish. Both the comm's and rec's who, in most cases, had subpar years.
Ego? Yeah it sucked for me but my observations are not based solely on my experiences.
I hope I am wrong but I don't think I am.

Chris,

My point is the fishery isn't collapsing. Based on what we see and hear there may be a fewer fish, I don't know.

My question to everyone was simply this...How do you judge what quality fishing is? Do you need a 50 or 60 every trip out in order for it to be considered good? I don't thnk so. You don't even need 30 or 40# fish to be considered good, IMO.
My belief is there's still plenty of fish out there. Just because the folks we know catch less one year than the previous doesn't constitute a collapse.

As for commercial landings, I did the commercial thing for many years (1985-2001) and can tell you in the early-mid 90's the striped bass fishery was deemed "restored" by fisheries managers. It still took 6-8 weeks to fill a quota that was less than half of what we have now. Maybe it was because fewer people were participating, I'm not sure. This means it took nearly the same amount of time back then to fill a quota that was half of what we have now...are you paying attention?

Sea Dangles · 10-27-2009, 08:33 AM

Aren't you still a comm guy?
Semantics don't work in this case Mike.I didn't say collapse, but I did use words like decline and subpar.The 30,40 or 50's thing isn't especially relevent in this case either.Personally,I'm happy with the thought that there MIGHT be fish where I happen to be casting.You can dig up as many skewed numbers from the past as you want to support your weak argument but my eyes and ears tell me now what many Old Salts have been saying for a few years.Please post pics of all the cows you caught this fall.(without redlite guiding)

Back Beach · 10-27-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

.I didn't say collapse, but I did use words like decline and subpar.

Fair enough, but you did say they were in trouble. As for what you, I, or anyone else caught this fall whether guided or not, it simply doesn't apply to the big picture. A few weeks of slow fishing in one single spot doesn't mean the fish are disappearing.

Much like me, you were the proverbial Charlie Brown waiting for the great pumpkin this fall...and he never showed.

As for the "guide" comment, I need a good guide in order to have a shot at catching something decent.

I have no problem admitting it.

This is the reason I typically turn down all your "guide" offers...you simply don't produce for me...

Sea Dangles · 10-27-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

Fair enough, but you did say they were in trouble. As for what you, I, or anyone else caught this fall whether guided or not, it simply doesn't apply to the big picture. A few weeks of slow fishing in one single spot doesn't mean the fish are disappearing.

Much like me, you were the proverbial Charlie Brown waiting for the great pumpkin this fall...and he never showed.

As for the "guide" comment, I need a good guide in order to have a shot at catching something decent.

I have no problem admitting it.

This is the reason I typically turn down all your "guide" offers...you simply don't produce for me...

I will say it again.I AM NOT BASING THIS ON MY EXPERIENCES.But I have friends who also have friends that are fishing what are historically productive areas.Valiant,the race,BI....they simply could not stay on the fish.Never mind my barren pumpkin patch.I think this qualifies as the big picture.Read the words instead of interpreting them.This is not a fall run observation either,rather a compilation of data going back a handful of years.To me, words like decline and subpar will eventually equal trouble,it's simple math.And stop Flaptailing us with old comm stories on the backside.

Flaptail · 10-27-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I will say it again.I AM NOT BASING THIS ON MY EXPERIENCES.But I have friends who also have friends that are fishing what are historically productive areas.Valiant,the race,BI....they simply could not stay on the fish.Never mind my barren pumpkin patch.I think this qualifies as the big picture.Read the words instead of interpreting them.This is not a fall run observation either,rather a compilation of data going back a handful of years.To me, words like decline and subpar will eventually equal trouble,it's simple math.And stop Flaptailing us with old comm stories on the backside.

Hahahaha that's too funny! "Flaptailing" I cannot wait to use that.

I guess we could call your posts "Sea Dangling"?

Get the point of this emoticon?

Back Beach · 10-27-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail

I guess we could call your posts "Sea Dangling"?

Sea Dangling=Trolling, albeit at very high speed...