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Old 10-31-2009, 08:18 AM   #1
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Actually there has been a bunch of jazz, just seemed like time to address the "classics". All the Pat, Johnnie Mac, Al D, Jaco, Chick, RTF, Weather Report, and yes, even the Allman Bros. (#^&#^&#^&#^&ie said it, and I agree, they are a jazz band) it's all jazz, just different forms of Jazz.

So I added some BeBop, some Cool, and Monk (he is to his own music), just the straight ahead stuff versus the "fusion" kind. It's all good. Some just better than others depending on your taste or mood (my case it's just a mood thing cause I like it all).

and so some more

Duke (small group)



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Old 10-31-2009, 08:29 AM   #2
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And Sir Louis my favorite way (Hot Five and Hot Seven)

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Old 10-31-2009, 08:47 AM   #3
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For a quick "reference" to the "classics" I often use the WKCR 24 hour birthday salutes for a "list" which would be:

Long ago it became tradition at WKCR to play 24 hours of a jazz great's music on his/her birthday.

Max Roach
(b. January 10, 1924)

Roy Eldridge
(b. January 30, 1911; d. February 26, 1989)

Ornette Coleman
(b. March 9, 1930)

Bix Beiderbecke
(b. March 10, 1903; d. August 7, 1931)

Billie Holiday
(b. April 7, 1915; d. July 17, 1959)

Charles Mingus
(b. April 22, 1922; d. January 5, 1979)

Duke Ellington
(April 29,1899; d. May 24, 1974)

Louis Armstrong
(b. August 4, 1901; d. July 6, 1971)
(he believed his birthdate to be July 4th 1900, so we celebrate both birthdays.)

Lester Young
(b. August 27, 1909; d. March 15, 1959)

Charlie Parker
(b. August 29, 1920; d. March 12, 1955)
(combines with Lester Young to form a three-day broadcast)

John Coltrane
(b. September 23, 1926; d. July 17, 1967)

Thelonious Monk
(b. Oct. 10, 1917; d. February 17, 1982)

Clifford Brown
(b. October 30, 1930; d. June 26, 1956)

Coleman Hawkins
(b. Nov. 21, 1904; d. May 19, 1969)
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:51 AM   #4
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and so here is Clifford and Max

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Old 11-04-2009, 12:31 PM   #5
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Actually there has been a bunch of jazz, just seemed like time to address the "classics". All the Pat, Johnnie Mac, Al D, Jaco, Chick, RTF, Weather Report, and yes, even the Allman Bros. (#^&#^&#^&#^&ie said it, and I agree, they are a jazz band) it's all jazz, just different forms of Jazz.

So I added some BeBop, some Cool, and Monk (he is to his own music), just the straight ahead stuff versus the "fusion" kind. It's all good. Some just better than others depending on your taste or mood (my case it's just a mood thing cause I like it all).

and so some more

Duke (small group)



and full orchestra

Im a purist, there are a million musicians out there that can jam along with the Allman Bros, but if you play a basic Parker or Monk tune they wont be able to play a single coherent idea. "real" jazz to me is a complicated science that only gifted or schooled musicians can play. Its very, very hard to even plan lousy jazz.

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Old 11-07-2009, 08:48 AM   #6
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The best "explanation" I heard was by a jazz guitarist whose name escapes me at the moment. He basically said the different genres of music are like different languages. Not that one is better or harder or takes more talent than the other, they are just very different. Not too many folks speak a number of different music languages well if at all.

I like em all too Paul.

It's a mood thing with me as to what I listen to at any given moment. I do have some favs though. In all genres (languages) as well.

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The best "explanation" I heard was by a jazz guitarist whose name escapes me at the moment. He basically said the different genres of music are like different languages. Not that one is better or harder or takes more talent than the other, they are just very different. Not too many folks speak a number of different music languages well if at all.

I like em all too Paul.

It's a mood thing with me as to what I listen to at any given moment. I do have some favs though. In all genres (languages) as well.
I didnt say anything about "like". I like it all too. I love all kinds of music. I am just very protective of jazz as it is a higher art form. I wonder who that quote is from as it is demonstrably incorrect. To say jazz is not harder is foolish. Just for giggles - the chords to a "blues" by the Allmans would be for ex: G7 - C7 - D7 in a 12 bar form. The same exact form, a G blues, as played by most of the people you have posted above would be something like - G7, Am7/d7/G7,Dm7-G7b9/C7/C#dim and thats just the first 6 bars and it will eb different every 12 bars! The thing is this is just the language of jazz, its a complete comfort in a musical form and being able to adjust melody and harmony on the spot. People think jazz guys are just playing with emotion, they are playing brillant and extremely complex ideas over harmonically complex songs - mostly thanks to Bird.
I apologize for being too geeky, but as a lifelong practicing musician, jazz is misunderstood. I dont think its better than other forms of music, some of my favorite tunes and artists play 3 chords songs, and they are brilliant. Jazz is a very complicated music to play and understand.

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