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11-10-2009, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
This wasn't a terrorist attack.
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11-10-2009, 07:50 PM
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They also have to profile, like it or not.
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Unfortunately for you, this vague Document in Washington that the last Administration tried to burn and throw out the window doesn't allow for it. That's also the same Document the honorable men and women in uniform are risking their lives to protect.
I'm willing to bet you wouldn't make a statement like that if you were a black man, instead of white. As I mentioned to Asswipe in the other thread, a lot of Muslims have given their lives to protect this country. |
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11-10-2009, 08:12 PM
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can't you picture JD sitting there on his couch with his hands over his ears? chanting.... LA-LA-LA-LA...I can't hear you...IT WAS NOT TERRORISM!!....LA-LA-LA-LA.....  |
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11-10-2009, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
Your right Spence, the conclusion is not there yet. That is the same attitude that allowed this to happen. Plenty of warning signs, agreed?
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You can't live in a culture of paranoia. The military is a high amplitude environment and as such monitors their people differently than most business would. Certainly he looks to have displayed warning signs that should have impacted his deployment orders.
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I'm on the side of the obvious. You don't have to be a Muslim to be a terrorist. It just that most terrorist are Muslim.
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That might be true at the moment, but I'd also add that the vast majority of Muslim terrorism kills other Muslims. In the end, people do what they do, it doesn't matter what their religion.
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Would you agree that the Major "wouldn't have cracked" had he been a Jew?
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No, I wouldn't.
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11-10-2009, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by fishbones
Does anyone think that if it was being investigated as an act of terrorism, the investigators would want that to be made public? Or, do you think they want to keep everything under wraps as they build a case against the guy? Also consider that Hasan is alive and will have an attorney to defend him in the criminal case.
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The investigation should seek to determine the motive as it would in any criminal case involving such a terrible crime. If there is credible evidence of terrorism then it shouldn't be hidden, but that's a conclusion for a judge based on law.
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11-10-2009, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
"cracking" to me is getting fed up and walking off a job.
This was planned and calculated and most importantly TARGETED. He went after military people. He knew what he was doing.
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How many people crack and shoot up their workplace? For all you know this was no different.
You are aware he worked for the US Army don't you?
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11-10-2009, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
can't you picture JD sitting there on his couch with his hands over his ears? chanting.... LA-LA-LA-LA...I can't hear you...IT WAS NOT TERRORISM!!....LA-LA-LA-LA..... |
Any expert on al Qaeda will tell you their strategy is to provoke the United States, who they believe will lash out like a cowboy, into rampantly attacking the Muslim world and validate their assertion that the US is out to destroy Islam. Muslims, by their very fabric are drawn towards (even commanded to) protect the faith.
They also hope they can turn Americans against themselves, so that we compromise the foundational values that have made us so great and a beacon of inspiration for most of the world. If there's no leadership to defend free people under the rule of man's law then perhaps they have their opening and can challenge with a fundamentalist vision.
The last time I checked we assumed innocence until being proven guilty. It's supposed to be part of the "enlightenment" that separates US vs THEM.
You sir, are playing right into their hand.
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11-10-2009, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Any expert on al Qaeda will tell you their strategy is to provoke the United States, who they believe will lash out like a cowboy, into rampantly attacking the Muslim world and validate their assertion that the US is out to destroy Islam. Muslims, by their very fabric are drawn towards (even commanded to) protect the faith.
They also hope they can turn Americans against themselves, so that we compromise the foundational values that have made us so great and a beacon of inspiration for most of the world. If there's no leadership to defend free people under the rule of man's law then perhaps they have their opening and can challenge with a fundamentalist vision.
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That my friend is awesome! |
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11-10-2009, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
That my friend is awesome!
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It is the view of al Qaeda. The key fact is that it's not the same vision shared by the hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world.
The more news I see about Hasan the more he looks to be the classic criminal killer and not the terrorist.
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11-10-2009, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
It is the view of al Qaeda. The key fact is that it's not the same vision shared by the hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world.
The more news I see about Hasan the more he looks to be the classic criminal killer and not the terrorist.
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It is the Major's view!!! |
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11-10-2009, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
The investigation should seek to determine the motive as it would in any criminal case involving such a terrible crime. If there is credible evidence of terrorism then it shouldn't be hidden, but that's a conclusion for a judge based on law.
-spence
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In any criminal investigation, the prosecution should play thngs close to the vest. Leaking information can damage a case. My supposition is that the Army investigators may know a lot more than they are letting on at this point. They would not come out right off the bat when things are still fresh and emotions are high and label it as terrorism even if they think it may be. |
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11-10-2009, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
It is the Major's view!!!
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You really don't know a lot about Islam do you?
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11-11-2009, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
You really don't know a lot about Islam do you?
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I thought you were talking about al Qaeda . I try not to lump all Muslims in that group. |
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11-11-2009, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Any expert on al Qaeda will tell you their strategy is to provoke the United States, who they believe will lash out like a cowboy, into rampantly attacking the Muslim world and validate their assertion that the US is out to destroy Islam. Muslims, by their very fabric are drawn towards (even commanded to) protect the faith.
They also hope they can turn Americans against themselves, so that we compromise the foundational values that have made us so great and a beacon of inspiration for most of the world. If there's no leadership to defend free people under the rule of man's law then perhaps they have their opening and can challenge with a fundamentalist vision. this is the Progressive agenda, the terrorists and the Progressives have a lot in common...
The last time I checked we assumed innocence until being proven guilty. It's supposed to be part of the "enlightenment" that separates US vs THEM.
You sir, are playing right into their hand.
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sounds like you are admitting that this was Al Qaeda sponsored terrorism...except the part about Hasan possibly being innocent...that's f'ed up...
what the hell does "lash out like a cowboy " mean ?
I'm playing right into Al Qaeda's hand? Do you ever step back and think about how stupid something like that is when you say it ?......I'm playing right into Al Qaeda's hand....you need professional help
seems to me the dumbass that can't mutter the word terrorism without wetting his panties is actually who would be playing into Al Qaeda's hands  |
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11-11-2009, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
sounds like you are admitting that this was Al Qaeda sponsored terrorism...except the part about Hasan possibly being innocent...that's f'ed up...
what the hell does "lash out like a cowboy " mean ?
I'm playing right into Al Qaeda's hand? Do you ever step back and think about how stupid something like that is when you say it ?......I'm playing right into Al Qaeda's hand....you need professional help
seems to me the dumbass that can't mutter the word terrorism without wetting his panties is actually who would be playing into Al Qaeda's hands |
Wow, this is a weak post.
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11-12-2009, 07:31 AM
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Wow, this is a weak post.
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Most experts agree that you just make it up as you go along |
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11-12-2009, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fishbones
In any criminal investigation, the prosecution should play thngs close to the vest. Leaking information can damage a case. My supposition is that the Army investigators may know a lot more than they are letting on at this point. They would not come out right off the bat when things are still fresh and emotions are high and label it as terrorism even if they think it may be.
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I would agree, there maybe a lot more tied to this incident that they are looking into which could disrupt other plots if it truly is terrorism.
But if they find it is terrorism in the end, it will be the first domestic terrorism since 9/11 and under Obama's watch. |
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11-12-2009, 07:24 PM
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But if they find it is terrorism in the end, it will be the first domestic terrorism since 9/11 and under Obama's watch.
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I'll bet you nearly wet yourself typing that.
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11-12-2009, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
I'll bet you nearly wet yourself typing that.
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Ya, that and the fact that i've been accused of "undermining the mission" get's me all excited. 
To use a Spenceism, your statements are is so silly.  |
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11-12-2009, 07:38 PM
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I'll bet you nearly wet yourself typing that.
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No kidding. This guy was in the armed services for 3+ separate administrations, but one guy losing his mind means that Obama isn't doing his job.
His statement is on par with the idiots that say 9/11 was Bush's fault. |
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11-12-2009, 08:11 PM
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JD, that is just a statement of fact. You can't blame Obama, but from what we've been told, there were indications this guy was being tracked because of his statements and associations.Not one imho, I'd want in our military.
Fore warned should have been fore armed.
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11-12-2009, 08:25 PM
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JD, that is just a statement of fact. You can't blame Obama, but from what we've been told, there were indications this guy was being tracked because of his statements and associations.Not one imho, I'd want in our military.
Fore warned should have been fore armed.
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Fact??? Nothing has been proven yet.
When liberals said similar things about Iraq they were accused of wanting US troops to die to help make their point.
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11-13-2009, 06:45 AM
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Fact??? Nothing has been proven yet.
When liberals said similar things about Iraq they were accused of wanting US troops to die to help make their point.
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By who?
And why do you keep coming on this lame thread? |
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11-13-2009, 07:54 AM
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By who?
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Wouldn't surprise me if you did several times.
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And why do you keep coming on this lame thread?
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I'm trying to test my assumption that ScottW can't really product an unlimited number of non sequitors.
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11-13-2009, 12:43 PM
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I would agree, there maybe a lot more tied to this incident that they are looking into which could disrupt other plots if it truly is terrorism.
But if they find it is terrorism in the end, it will be the first domestic terrorism since 9/11 and under Obama's watch.
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Spence, this was the original post, what Fact??? are you questioning. 
Unless there has been another terrorist attack i don't now about since 9/11
then "if they find it is terrorism in the end" the fact is it will be under Obama's watch.
If you are looking for facts pointing to terrorism, a few I remember, he had
e-mailed the al qaeda recruiter in Yemen, he went to the same Florida Mosque
that the 9/11 terrorists attended, he had SOA (soldier of Allah)under his name on his professional card,
and was charged with premeditated murder as he bought the guns he used shortly before the attack.
I go along with Fishbone's post and the possible reasons why he may not have been charged as a terrorist so far,
but if it looks, walks and quacks like a duck it's a duck. |
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11-13-2009, 12:55 PM
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Wouldn't surprise me if you did several times.
I'm trying to test my assumption that ScottW can't really product an unlimited number of non sequitors.
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I don't know that I can "product" anything... |
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