Mastermind

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

So you're asserting his mom was a terrorist also?

And everyone at the Mosque?

Do you trust any Muslim?

-spence

I don't have any problem with "any" muslims...just the ones prone to violence, like any other group that you'd like to create...as far as I'm concerned...Muslims come in many shapes colors and sizes so I'm not sure that I'd "recognize" a Muslim and be at that point capable of not trusting them based on appearance or for any other reason for that matter..If someone divulges to me that they are muslim, I don't think any differently of them that anyone else.... .I certainly have a healthy wariness about anyone who spent/spends time in a place of worship listening to and approving of by their continued presence the Anti- American hateful rantings of a radical lunatic....Why does everything lead back to Obama???

didn't say any of those things but that's a pretty high body count for that one Mosque.....

you seem really desperate to portray me as a racist or something similar...sorry to disappoint you but I'm just not...

you'd be fun in a fox hole Spence...the enemy charging and Spence standing and intellectualizing...."hold on guys, don't shoot yet...we don't have any evidence that they really want to harm us and we're not even sure if they are serious about pulling their triggers, they might just be bluffing.....after all we provoked them...not the other way around....let's try a little diplomacy"

[Fly Rod]

You really have to be leary of someone changeing their name to something like Abdul, Mudula etc:

A niece of mine has a husband that did such a thing and I still can't pronounce the name. Well, I mentioned to my wife that we had better keep an eye on that fella, Boy! did she crack me upside the head. You think them football players get a concussion, my are still rolling.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

You think them football players get a concussion, my are still rolling.

That certainly explains your recent posts

-spence

[Fly Rod]

Spence!

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

You really have to be leary of someone changeing their name to something like Abdul, Mudula etc:

A niece of mine has a husband that did such a thing and I still can't pronounce the name. Well, I mentioned to my wife that we had better keep an eye on that fella, Boy! did she crack me upside the head. You think them football players get a concussion, my are still rolling.

Yeah. Next thing you know, Muhammad Ali is going to blow up a school.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Yeah. Next thing you know, Muhammad Ali is going to blow up a school.

don't know where all of that came from but my only point was that I'd never put all muslims in any all inclusive box and make a judgement such as "And everyone at the Mosque? Do you trust any Muslim?" or any other rediculous assertion that you'd like to make...

so desperate to level that charge that the leaps are astounding...

however...if a teacher named Muhammed Ali blows up a school tomorrow and had been for years openly espousing Anti-American and radical violent thoughts that the administration had apparently ignored, will your knee- jerk response continue to be that this is not terrorism, just mass murder by a guy that "cracked"?

I'd have to start wondering if some here were not terrorist sympathizers involved in a cover up?

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

so desperate to level that charge that the leaps are astounding...

That's a "question".

To level the charge of "terrorism" against one of our own soldiers, an officer with 12 years of service, is a very serious assertion that you seem almost eager to dispense.

-spence

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

That's a "question".

To level the charge of "terrorism" against one of our own soldiers, an officer with 12 years of service, is a very serious assertion that you seem almost eager to dispense.

-spence

12 years as an officer and 8 as an enlisted man.....20 years of service.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

12 years as an officer and 8 as an enlisted man.....20 years of service.

this is truly amazing, I don't recall the "years of service" being factored into the savaging of the Haditha Marines by the liberal media and elected democrats...and I'm quite sure that I can pull countless quotes from elected dems and the left referring to our military members in the most unflattering ways but that would now like to reserve judgement and weigh "years of service" for this terrorist....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

That's a "question".

To level the charge of "terrorism" against one of our own soldiers, an officer with 12 years of service, is a very serious assertion that you seem almost eager to dispense.

-spence

far more credible than your "eagerness" to characterize someone who believes this to be an act of terrorism as somehow racist and bigoted toward all muslims.....

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

far more credible than your "eagerness" to characterize someone who believes this to be an act of terrorism as somehow racist and bigoted toward all muslims.....

My question was in direct response to your remarks, and the remarks of others.

Hence, it's cause and effect.

I'm simply defending objectivity and the legal principals of our Founding Fathers.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

To level the charge of "terrorism" against one of our own soldiers, an officer with 12 years of service, is a very serious assertion that you seem almost eager to dispense.

-spence

Charging ANYONE with terrorism is a very serious assertion. "LEVELING" a charge of any kind on anyone is very serious. Accusing a soldier, an officer, anyone, of just plain old "mass murder" is a very serious assertion. Claiming or believing that a soldier, an officer, mass murdered because he just "snapped" is a very serious assertion.

What does "almost eager" mean? Not quite eager, therefore not really eager? Or just that there is no proof of eagerness so just an implication that makes it sound like Scott is "eager."

If a soldier, an officer, with 20 years of service, who had not shown any signs of mental disturbance, or any indication that he was a run-of-the-mill garden variety mass-murderer, but had expressed several, clear, vociferous statements that indicated Jihadist beliefs and had tried to contact Al quaeda, should anything have been done, and what, if so, should that have been, and under what grounds?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If a soldier, an officer, with 20 years of service, who had not shown any signs of mental disturbance, or any indication that he was a run-of-the-mill garden variety mass-murderer, but had expressed several, clear, vociferous statements that indicated Jihadist beliefs and had tried to contact Al quaeda, should anything have been done, and what, if so, should that have been, and under what grounds?

My question is directed toward future prevention, not the execution of the Hasan case. There seems to be a consensus here that somebody dropped the ball in allowing this man to do what he did. In what way can a similar event be prevented if a soldier/officer shows no signs, other than strong Jihadist tendencies, that he will turn on his comrades?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

don't know where all of that came from

It came as a response to FlyRod saying "You really have to be leary of someone changeing their name to something like Abdul, Mudula etc:"

When I include a quote from someone in my post, then my response is directly to them.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

It came as a response to FlyRod saying "You really have to be leary of someone changeing their name to something like Abdul, Mudula etc:"

When I include a quote from someone in my post, then my response is directly to them.

In FlyRod's defense, I do believe he said that in jest.

-spence