Mastermind

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So does radical Christianity....

I haven't heard of any indications that Hasan is a radical Christian.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I haven't heard of any indications that Hasan is a radical Christian.

He wasn't implying that there were. I think the intention is that there could possibly exist a difference between religious fanatics and terrorists.

No one was screaming terrorists when abortion clinics were getting bombed. Or did not enough people die in those incidents?

Or is it murder if you kill because of Christian beliefs, but terrorism when you kill due to Islamic beliefs?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

No one was screaming terrorists when abortion clinics were getting bombed. Or did not enough people die in those incidents?

I rememeber the outcry. Yes they were.
IMO you can't equate someone trying to protect an innocent unborn child with someone killing 3000 . It's not right but it's not the same

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

I rememeber the outcry. Yes they were.
IMO you can't equate someone trying to protect an innocent unborn child with someone killing 3000 . It's not right but it's not the same

There was an outcry, but people weren't screaming "terrorists". So, if you bomb a clinic to "protect an innocent unborn child" then that's not terrorism, but shooting people in the name of religion (which we still don't know is fully the case) is terrorism?

You sure can equate it. Killing is killing, isn't it? This isn't directed towards you, but I love the religious hypocrisy of murdering an abortion doctor being acceptable to some people because he's, in their opinion, murdering babies.

We've had this discussion before where you've made the comparison to the number of people killed during 9/11. What exactly is the number of people that must be killed for a situation to be considered terrorism? The interesting part is that we weren't even talking about 9/11.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

There was an outcry, but people weren't screaming "terrorists". So, if you bomb a clinic to "protect an innocent unborn child" then that's not terrorism, but shooting people in the name of religion (which we still don't know is fully the case) is terrorism?

You sure can equate it. Killing is killing, isn't it? This isn't directed towards you, but I love the religious hypocrisy of murdering an abortion doctor being acceptable to some people because he's, in their opinion, murdering babies.

We've had this discussion before where you've made the comparison to the number of people killed during 9/11. What exactly is the number of people that must be killed for a situation to be considered terrorism? The interesting part is that we weren't even talking about 9/11.

99.999% of Christians would call the taking of any life wrong JD. Why are you so quick to call the killing of an abortion DR terrorism but give this terrorist the benifit of the doubt.
FYI, his clock was set at 9/11 at his apartment but thats just a coincidence.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

99.999% of Christians would call the taking of any life wrong JD. Why are you so quick to call the killing of an abortion DR terrorism but give this terrorist the benifit of the doubt.
FYI, his clock was set at 9/11 at his apartment but thats just a coincidence.

I'm not calling either terrorism.

And I know a lot of Christians that are in support of the Death Penalty.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I'm not calling either terrorism.

And I know a lot of Christians that are in support of the Death Penalty.

Me for one. I'm able to see the difference between a innocent unborn child and a murdering scum bag. You can too, you just won't admit it.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

He wasn't implying that there were. I think the intention is that there could possibly exist a difference between religious fanatics and terrorists.

Which is also what I have been saying. I specifically said that terrorism is not an accurate description of Hasan's motives. I attributed it to "Jihadism" which non-Jihadists would probably refer to as religious fanaticism.

No one was screaming terrorists when abortion clinics were getting bombed. Or did not enough people die in those incidents?

Although no one was "screaming" terrorists, the abortion clinic bombings have been defined by many as terrorism. Even Wikipedia defines it as a form of terrorism.

Or is it murder if you kill because of Christian beliefs, but terrorism when you kill due to Islamic beliefs?

If it's murder, it's murder in both cases. The motivation for the murders is probably different. As far as anti-abortion violence, the main animous seems to be a loathing for the killing of what is considered to be innocent human life, innocent babies. I think that nine such anti-abortion murders have occured since 1993. Not all, probably the minority, were attributed to religion. As horrible as these have been, I don't think they evoked a national security threat. Jihad against the West seems to be a much different, much larger, greatly more dangerous phenomenon. And it is specifically an Islamic religious phenomenon.