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11-24-2009, 05:42 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: 61° 30′ 0″ N, 23° 46′ 0″ E
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Originally Posted by BigFish
No I buy a FW license Steve. Given the financial climate was this good timing for this?? Was this about improving our fishing?? Or was it about more dough for the govenment??? I think the latter!!! I am not one to break the law....and I am also not going to get in dutch over $10......so I will do it....but I do not like it! All you guys who think this money will be going "to the right places" I think will be eating your hat soon enough!
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What it's about is complying with a Federal mandate. No more, no less. You can pay Deval $10 or you can pay Barrack $20. Those are the only two choices on the table for 2011.
Anyone who tries to tell you that there's a snowball's chance in hell of beating the Feds on this issue is full of hot air.
No license will be required in Mass in 2010. It's not clear whether we'll have to register with the Feds (my opinion is that we will have to), but the Federal registry is free in 2010. |
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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11-24-2009, 06:01 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Worcester MA
Posts: 79
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How many?
Does anyone have an idea how many recreational fishermen fish in MA? Just wondering how much the state will squeeze from us.
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11-24-2009, 07:15 PM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Brockton,Ma
Posts: 8,484
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$10 dollars is just the foot in the door ...I also wonder if this is going to put a damper on take a kid fishing .. no license no fishy .. I'd just soon pay the combo and get it over with ..
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11-24-2009, 07:52 PM
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Too old to give a....
Join Date: Dec 2007
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My head would have to be so far up my ass that I would be looking out my mouth to believe anything a politician tells me.  |
May fortune favor the foolish....
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11-24-2009, 08:11 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
Posts: 23,392
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Registry?? Why would I register??? If there is no fee I won't bother!!
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Almost time to get our fish on!!! 
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11-24-2009, 09:06 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: N.K.
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Sucks.I'm not buying one.  |
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11-24-2009, 09:49 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: North Shore
Posts: 1,701
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Yeah, what really bugs me about this is the state reciprocity issue ... when you fish out of Stonington via boat, you could be in RI, NY and CT waters within minutes ... and if you don't bother fishing in CT at all, since Fisher's Island is all within NY ... do you still need to purchase a license for CT? As it would be tough to prove that you did not fish in CT waters when you return to port. So what do you do, have to purchase both a CT and NY license, along with a MA and any others that you may want to visit briefly ...?
One good thing about the Florida license for residents is that you don't need a license if you are fishing from shore ... although it may have changed since I lived there in the 1990s, but at that time, all residents who did not fish from boats could fish without the license and they sold a combo license with snook stamp for only two buck more at a reasonable cost ...
Something tells me that Mass will be a mess ...
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"It was the blackest night! There was no moon in sight! (You know the stars ain't shinnin cause the sky's too tight) "
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11-24-2009, 10:24 PM
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Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Marshfield
Posts: 2,608
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Originally Posted by Finaddict
Something tells me that Mass will be a mess ...
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11-24-2009, 11:36 PM
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The Bawston Whalah
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 223
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
What it's about is complying with a Federal mandate. No more, no less. You can pay Deval $10 or you can pay Barrack $20. Those are the only two choices on the table for 2011.
Anyone who tries to tell you that there's a snowball's chance in hell of beating the Feds on this issue is full of hot air.
No license will be required in Mass in 2010. It's not clear whether we'll have to register with the Feds (my opinion is that we will have to), but the Federal registry is free in 2010.
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BS, That is the Deval way out.
So Does your Drivers Licence cover you in say California?
Atleast with the federal licence, you would be good wherever you go.
This sounds as ass backwards of when a commercial vehicle conducted buisness in another state it had to be tagged in that state.
Lets go Re-invent the wheel, ( It's a little known secret In Massachusettes we do it best).
All said and done were all going to piss and moan about it but no one will have the stones to stand up and say %$%$%$%$ YOU Im not doing it. Collectivly everyone has just bent over and taken it the hard way because as a group we all talk hard, but when it gets to doing, individuals roll over at the drop of a hat. Just contributing to the Wussification of America.
Ill probably get kicked off here with this post but oh well. |
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11-25-2009, 01:10 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Burlington
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Comments are amazing..I wonder where all the above writers were when Patrick Parquet and the other political activists from MSBA - MBBA - and all the clubs were asking for comments and input on the FEDERAL mandate. I for one think we got the best we could get after much fighting and arguing. I don't like the fact we are getting hit with a fee to fish and am apprehensive about the future use of the funds, but this is NOT a State of Mass only mandate. Didn't RI legislature pass a similar bill only to have their Governor veto it ? That will make interesting reading next year.
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11-25-2009, 01:45 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
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i'll believe improved access when i see it............  |
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11-25-2009, 07:52 AM
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Retired Surfer
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Sunset Grill
Posts: 9,511
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$10.00
Just a shot in the dark here, but I would imagine the SW license and getting caught fishing without one will fall under the same exact law as the FW license. And not that I ever enforced that particular law I believe it is an arrestable misdomeanor. You can also be summons, but you can be arrested also.
The administrative costs are the "friends of Deval" he hasn't found a job yet for.
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Swimmer a.k.a. YO YO MA
Serial Mailbox Killer/Seal Fisherman
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11-25-2009, 08:14 AM
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 35,270
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary
BS, That is the Deval way out.
So Does your Drivers Licence cover you in say California?
Atleast with the federal licence, you would be good wherever you go.
This sounds as ass backwards of when a commercial vehicle conducted buisness in another state it had to be tagged in that state.
Lets go Re-invent the wheel, ( It's a little known secret In Massachusettes we do it best).
All said and done were all going to piss and moan about it but no one will have the stones to stand up and say %$%$%$%$ YOU Im not doing it. Collectivly everyone has just bent over and taken it the hard way because as a group we all talk hard, but when it gets to doing, individuals roll over at the drop of a hat. Just contributing to the Wussification of America.
Ill probably get kicked off here with this post but oh well.
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Why would you get kicked off? For arguing a point (two years late)?
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Originally Posted by gone fishin
Comments are amazing..I wonder where all the above writers were when Patrick Parquet and the other political activists from MSBA - MBBA - and all the clubs were asking for comments and input on the FEDERAL mandate. I for one think we got the best we could get after much fighting and arguing. I don't like the fact we are getting hit with a fee to fish and am apprehensive about the future use of the funds, but this is NOT a State of Mass only mandate. Didn't RI legislature pass a similar bill only to have their Governor veto it ? That will make interesting reading next year.
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We did get the best deal we are going to get in Mass. We got vetoed on the best deal RI was going to get.
Time for a new politicians are cheaters too site |
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11-25-2009, 08:53 AM
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OLDGOAT7205963
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: CAPE
Posts: 693
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Happy Thanksgiving Dudes. I have a different concern. How will this licence help me on the outer cape to cast from the beach through more than 6-8000seals and expect to land a fish,any fish without a seal grabbing it. I would like to have you think about a slow rabbit on a dog track and you can get an idea. I,m sure the clowns will have a clause in the licence in regard to competing against the poor seals and there right to assembly to desecrate all protein in a small area. Regardless of whether you fish or not how can anyone that has any concern for conservation allow this wipe out of all protein in an area without realizing that the seals need to be thinned out. notice i didn't say killed. Just a thought
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11-25-2009, 09:43 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Cape Cod
Posts: 210
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Quote:
Originally Posted by numbskull
10 for me......no big deal
10 for each of my grown kids......OK
10 for each of my kids' visiting friends from college who want to go fishing once...ugh
10 for the neighbor who would like to go out if the wind that am is not too much.........aaaaagh!
Will there be some kind of "take a friend fishing once" exemption? Or some kind of transferable multi-person option?
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From Senate Bill, No.2200
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(f) The director may designate not more than 2 days in each year as free recreational saltwater fishing days. A person may take saltwater finfish for noncommercial purposes on a free recreational saltwater fishing day without obtaining or possessing a permit or paying a permit fee as prescribed in this section; provided, however, that a person who takes saltwater finfish on a free recreational fishing day must comply with all laws, rules and regulations governing the holders of a recreational fishing permit and all other conditions and limitations regulating the taking of saltwater finfish.
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read it all right here...
http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/sena...02/st02200.htm
Old Goat...im sure they will incorporate a seal stamp which will require you to pay more in the following years since you may inadvertantly compete with the seals for the stripers and blues...seals have rights too you know.. |
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11-26-2009, 09:28 AM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Brockton,Ma
Posts: 8,484
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I took the day off from work and protested against this at the DMF 100 sallinstall building Boston when Phil Coates was the man .. seems like 15 yrs. ago maybe more . I use to go to those meetings where they say Bio Mass a bunch of times ?? well here it is .. Its all BS in my opinion .. hail the almighty $$$ .. Its money swimming around ,,not fish ,, soon as the numbers are up, so is the pressure to hammer the fish . They paint the picture to whatever suits thier needs . $$$ Politics ... my 2 cents
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11-26-2009, 10:18 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Here and There Seasonally
Posts: 5,985
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No government has ever given anyone anything, governments are all about taking things and rights away from one group because another group makes a bigger noise. In this case, the only people who gain are the fish counters.
The only way to fight them is to organize, on the same page, write our representatives that's what they are you know, and vote, vote, vote. If they can't do our bidding or decide to represent other interests, then vote their arses out.
This license is just another fine example of our(the fisherman's) failure to do just that. It's so easy to call or e-mail your rep in Government. Didn't do it. You have to watch them closely, too. Sadly, time for bitching is over and time to pay up is here. It ain't gonna go back, but maybe we can keep increases reasonable.JMHO.
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11-27-2009, 12:33 PM
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M.S.B.A.
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: I live in the Villiage of Hyannis in the Town of Barnstable in the Commonwealth of MA
Posts: 2,795
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary
So Does your Drivers Licence cover you in say California?
Atleast with the federal licence, you would be good wherever you go.
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Gary this statement is not correct. The Federal Rule clearly states the federal plan must be state by state.
Many of the questions being posed in this post have been answered on this board over the past year or two. Another great way to make sure you have good info is to check with your local fishing club. |
"It is impossible to complain and to achieve at the same time"--Basic Patrick (on a good day)
 
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11-27-2009, 01:59 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: On my boat
Posts: 9,703
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Every one here complaining about $10 
From what could find out through Patrick my lic will be $125.00
And should I go on a friends boat who is rec or go surf fishing , I also need the $10 rec lic ! |
LETS GO BRANDON
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11-27-2009, 02:02 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
Posts: 23,392
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Its not the $10 Ron its the principle of A. Having to pay for the right to fish the salt and B. Wanting to be sure the money gets where it is supposed to go!
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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11-27-2009, 03:09 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 4,834
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In RI, where I would imagine the same Federal policy exists as in Ma., if you have a Fed HMS permit you do not need a state license.
I won't be getting a license nor will I ask anyone fishing on my boat to get one. I'm registered as far as I know.
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11-27-2009, 05:08 PM
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Very Grumpy bay man
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 10,824
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slingah
It's only $10. If the money is used for what it is supposed to be used for then it is a good thing. I rather keep the money in state then have to pay for a federal permit @ $15-$25.....
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Which is exactly what the nitwit RI Governor did..... defeated the RI license so we have to buy a federal permit in 2 years. |
No boat, back in the suds.  
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11-28-2009, 06:23 PM
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Seal Control
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Caver, Ma.
Posts: 3,875
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When my kids were young I would take them to the beach fishing crabbing ect ...ect... Money was short in them days and we would have fun for free!
There is nothing you can do free anymore and feel sorry for the people that are short cash, what are they going to do free now??
$10 gets us in the door wait till it goes up, up, up! Going to by access? YEA RIGHT!!
What we getting for are money?? More regulation!!
As far as saying there is nothing we can do, If no one pays what they going to do?? Put us all in jail??
We have become sheep, just follow them around, we need to all stand up, not just the few!! State or Feds if we ALL say NO they will listen!
We or I already pay tax and fees for a boat trailer truck, ramp fee's, were is all that cash going.
We pay for fresh water cause they raise the fish and stock the ponds, Are they going to stock Bass, Fluke, Sea Bass, Scup, Blues?? NO
I fish commercial and will do Scup & Sea Bass in April, Fluke in May & June & July, Bass July & Aug, Sea Bass & Scup in Aug. Spet & Oct Tuna
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