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12-11-2009, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
Reminds me of WMDs turning into "liberating the Iraqi people".
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Nobody said that liberating the Iraqi people was the reason we went in JD. It's just what happens we you remove a dangerous, lying, brutal enemy of the USA from power. That really bothers you eh? |
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12-11-2009, 06:53 AM
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Nobody said that liberating the Iraqi people was the reason we went in JD.
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George W. Bush.
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12-11-2009, 09:11 AM
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George W. Bush.
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Show me where he said that was the REASON we went in!  |
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12-11-2009, 06:54 AM
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JD's record is broken...
look at it this way, if we hadn't gone into Iraq..Barak Hasan Obama could bitch in all of his speeches that Bush ignored the threat that Saddam posed for the last 8 years and now he has to deal with it rather than fixing the economy....I'm sure that UN sanctions would have been just as effective as removing Saddam, they are working just swimmingly with Iran  |
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12-11-2009, 07:47 AM
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JD's record is broken...
look at it this way, if we hadn't gone into Iraq..Barak Hasan Obama could bitch in all of his speeches that Bush ignored the threat that Saddam posed for the last 8 years and now he has to deal with it rather than fixing the economy....I'm sure that UN sanctions would have been just as effective as removing Saddam, they are working just swimmingly with Iran |
Iran hasn't really seen very harsh UN sanctions yet. Bush's complete lack of (disdain for really) diplomacy is still being felt.
Interesting to think that we were actually working together in Afghanistan after 9/11 before the "Axis of Evil" speech.
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12-11-2009, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Iran hasn't really seen very harsh UN sanctions yet. Bush's complete lack of (disdain for really) diplomacy is still being felt.
Interesting to think that we were actually working together in Afghanistan after 9/11 before the "Axis of Evil" speech.
-spence
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Diplomacy in regards to Iran is only helping Iran create the time it needs to have a WMD. It's not working Spence, understand? Why don't we have tougher sanctions in place?
Hell Obama's done so much in his first year. I believe on all fronts, including home we were better off with Bush. Show me where I'm wrong. |
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12-11-2009, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by buckman
Diplomacy in regards to Iran is only helping Iran create the time it needs to have a WMD. It's not working Spence, understand? Why don't we have tougher sanctions in place?
Hell Obama's done so much in his first year. I believe on all fronts, including home we were better off with Bush. Show me where I'm wrong.
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Why exactly is any of the above America's responsibility to fix? Iran having the bomb is significantly less dangerous than N. Korea having the bomb. It's, literally, not our problem. Iran having the bomb is probably less of a risk to the US than Pakistan - at least Iran has a legitimate.
Why don't we have tougher sanctions?
You tell me. Bush had since his declaration in 2002 of Iran being part of the Axis of Evil to get sanctions in place. |
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12-11-2009, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
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Why don't we have tougher sanctions?
You tell me. Bush had since his declaration in 2002 of Iran being part of the Axis of Evil to get sanctions in place.
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Bush was working on his Nobel Peace prize |
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12-11-2009, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
Bush had since his declaration in 2002 of Iran being part of the Axis of Evil to get sanctions in place.
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so it was up to Bush to get UN sanctions in place???? was Bush blocking any proposed UN sanctions against Iran? maybe just the "really harsh" ones |
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12-11-2009, 03:06 PM
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so it was up to Bush to get UN sanctions in place???? was Bush blocking any proposed UN sanctions against Iran? maybe just the "really harsh" ones |
Nope. But buckman's inferring that it is our President's job to get sanctions in place.
Bush and Blair couldn't get it done for the same reason Obama and Gordon Brown haven't be able to - the Chinese and Russians have too many financial interests in Iran and will veto proposed sanctions. Strong enough support from other members in the Security Council (and UN as a whole)needs to exist and they must step up and put pressure on the Chinese and Russians. |
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12-11-2009, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
Diplomacy in regards to Iran is only helping Iran create the time it needs to have a WMD. It's not working Spence, understand? Why don't we have tougher sanctions in place?
Hell Obama's done so much in his first year. I believe on all fronts, including home we were better off with Bush. Show me where I'm wrong.
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What gave Iran the time to develop their nuke program was precisely a complete lack of diplomacy. Bush did his best to ignore Iran as he was occupied with Iraq. The inside scoop is even that Iran was so terrified of a US invasion after we bounced Saddam that they tried to reach out to us to get a dialogue going, but the Bush Admin would have none of it.
Now, many of the other global players have even deeper interests in Iran. Obama has inherited a very difficult situation, but it seems like he is pulling a unified front together with a real deadline looming very soon...if it's not too late.
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12-11-2009, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
What gave Iran the time to develop their nuke program was precisely a complete lack of diplomacy. Bush did his best to ignore Iran as he was occupied with Iraq. The inside scoop is even that Iran was so terrified of a US invasion after we bounced Saddam that they tried to reach out to us to get a dialogue going, but the Bush Admin would have none of it.
Now, many of the other global players have even deeper interests in Iran. Obama has inherited a very difficult situation, but it seems like he is pulling a unified front together with a real deadline looming very soon...if it's not too late.
-spence
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Maybe you could give us " the inside scoop" as to what the looming deadline will entail. |
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