MSBA Action Alert--Stripers Forever Bill Could Pass- Only One Hearing--This Thursday

[seabuggy]

Some of the posters are right, the fish are here for everyone. No one group has the inside track on the taking of SB. Commercial guys say they have an historic right to a commercial season. They abide by the rules set forth and take thier 1.1 m pounds. The stocks are better for this effort. The consumer that buys and eats this fish have rights too. Without a commercial quota the markets would not have product. Recreational guys that I know personally are also getting thier share, If they know how. I do however, have a problem with the writers of the proposed bill banning the sale of SB. If anyone in thier right mind ever read this study, they would disregard it immediatly. It speaks to job loss and losses to tourism and such. It is the biggest farce related to fishing that I have ever seen. You do not have to go beyond the sponsers list to see what is going on. The Mass DMF is doing thier job, Let them do it and leave the fish to all groups as it is now.

[Sashamy]

Do you really think that charter captains and commercial fisherman want to catch the last fish? Is it wrong dannyplug that there is a regulated season on 34" fish...but yet you promote a 36" coastal limit? Will that not have the same ramifications...still killing breeding fish which seems to be your big problem with the retention of the fish for consumption. No Danny you just have a problem with the commercial fisherman/charter boat industry...do you think its easy? To go catch 12 for a charter or 30 to sell...I get paid for both but the same pressure to catch fish is there. It is not automatically July12 so 30 fish jump in your boat every day...and then the secret black market opens up???so none of these fish get counted...or the guy who goes out and brings home thirty to eat...come on guys get off the drugs...the season last 26 days, it catches 65000 fish, those are solid numbers...show me the rec numbers....U CAN"T cuz they are a guesstimate...there is no hypocrisy about me talking about the number of bass killed by a charterboat...those fish belong to the public...they contract me to take them out to get their share of the resource. You and a few others would like it if we were all Orvis endorsed guides and we brought people out to maybe catch a couple fish a day with a noodle rod...but guess what stripers taste good and those folks whom aren't as lucky to have a screen name like dannyplug like to eat them. Sorry to rant but you guys are older gents that fished and killed thousands of juvenile bass...for what? oh yeah to pay for your trips to the beach...

The plight of the buffalo someone else brought up...apples and oranges...first of all that was a time period when ther was no government agencies protecting wildlife, secondly buffalo are mammals they reproduce at rate that is not even comparable to a fish that lays millions of eggs at one time...but what we can compare is the processes of natural selection...the weather...rainfall...run-off also contribute to the success of these creatures ability to survive and reproduce...

I applaud you gentlemen for your thinking, but I am a little worried about your lack of compromise...why punish and continue to persecute the sector of the fishery that is hook and line? highly regulated? and done by a panel of your peers? anyone can get a license it is not a special interest group...just my two cents... Doug

[dannyplug1]

Originally Posted by Sashamy

Do you really think that charter captains and commercial fisherman want to catch the last fish? Is it wrong dannyplug that there is a regulated season on 34" fish...but yet you promote a 36" coastal limit? Will that not have the same ramifications...still killing breeding fish which seems to be your big problem with the retention of the fish for consumption. No Danny you just have a problem with the commercial fisherman/charter boat industry...do you think its easy? To go catch 12 for a charter or 30 to sell...I get paid for both but the same pressure to catch fish is there. It is not automatically July12 so 30 fish jump in your boat every day...and then the secret black market opens up???so none of these fish get counted...or the guy who goes out and brings home thirty to eat...come on guys get off the drugs...the season last 26 days, it catches 65000 fish, those are solid numbers...show me the rec numbers....U CAN"T cuz they are a guesstimate...there is no hypocrisy about me talking about the number of bass killed by a charterboat...those fish belong to the public...they contract me to take them out to get their share of the resource. You and a few others would like it if we were all Orvis endorsed guides and we brought people out to maybe catch a couple fish a day with a noodle rod...but guess what stripers taste good and those folks whom aren't as lucky to have a screen name like dannyplug like to eat them. Sorry to rant but you guys are older gents that fished and killed thousands of juvenile bass...for what? oh yeah to pay for your trips to the beach...

The plight of the buffalo someone else brought up...apples and oranges...first of all that was a time period when ther was no government agencies protecting wildlife, secondly buffalo are mammals they reproduce at rate that is not even comparable to a fish that lays millions of eggs at one time...but what we can compare is the processes of natural selection...the weather...rainfall...run-off also contribute to the success of these creatures ability to survive and reproduce...

I applaud you gentlemen for your thinking, but I am a little worried about your lack of compromise...why punish and continue to persecute the sector of the fishery that is hook and line? highly regulated? and done by a panel of your peers? anyone can get a license it is not a special interest group...just my two cents... Doug

Your right I detest commercial fishermen too many times I have been at sakonnet point and watched dead shorts be thrown into the harbor. Never mind the local rumor that shorts are being secretly trucked to canada for sale. And yes I do think with modern technology it is not as difficult to decimate bass. Commercials and charter captains are farr more effective than they were in past years. All I know is that I wont catch as many bass as cowhunter shows in the picture with his posting in ten years of surf fishing. Furthurmore I will let all of them go. Dead FISH I Dead Fish. Like Lee Wulf said a game fish is too precious to be used once. With that being said I would be in favor of a total moritorium.

[intrepid24]

Originally Posted by dannyplug1

I agree with don there should be a 36" limit one fish coast wise. I dont care how the figures are manipulated by special intersts, I know the bass population is going down and most likley crashing in the next five years. I have seen the number of small fish go down every year. Meanwhile I have not taken a fish in a very long time. I have quit fishing live bait and am extreemly carefull with the fish I release. Then I go to westport when the commercial bass season opens and watch the commercials come back from Cuttyhunk loaded to the gills with large prime breeding fish. Dont ask me to disbelieve my own eyes. In regard tothe mas bill being dead. For now possibly, the special intrests win but the mass of the people eventually forces the issue in a democracy. Make stripers a game fish!

not sure what yur position is, could ya repeat it one more time, please ?

Originally Posted by dannyplug1

Your right I detest commercial fishermen too many times I have been at sakonnet point and watched dead shorts be thrown into the harbor. Never mind the local rumor that shorts are being secretly trucked to canada for sale. And yes I do think with modern technology it is not as difficult to decimate bass. Commercials and charter captains are farr more effective than they were in past years. All I know is that I wont catch as many bass as cowhunter shows in the picture with his posting in ten years of surf fishing. Furthurmore I will let all of them go. Dead FISH I Dead Fish. Like Lee Wulf said a game fish is too precious to be used once. With that being said I would be in favor of a total moritorium.

[inTHERAPY]

Originally Posted by dannyplug1

Your right I detest commercial fishermen too many times I have been at sakonnet point and watched dead shorts be thrown into the harbor. Never mind the local rumor that shorts are being secretly trucked to canada for sale. And yes I do think with modern technology it is not as difficult to decimate bass. Commercials and charter captains are farr more effective than they were in past years. All I know is that I wont catch as many bass as cowhunter shows in the picture with his posting in ten years of surf fishing. Furthurmore I will let all of them go. Dead FISH I Dead Fish. Like Lee Wulf said a game fish is too precious to be used once. With that being said I would be in favor of a total moritorium.

Moratorium on what exactly? Fishing for bass, killing bass, selling bass? All of which is such a great idea. 99% of "us" on this board could spend more time with our families on land, we could save more money, we could get more sleep, we could take up another hobby, we could use less fossil fuel, we could kill less bait, BRILLIANT!

[maddmatt]

this is my favorite thread EVER!

ok,

steel cage grudge match

nebe, dannyplug and bassdawg

vs

sashamy, cowhunter and me

the winner gets to decide something

[MAKAI]

Can it be like thunder dome ?

[maddmatt]

Originally Posted by MAKAI

Can it be like thunder dome ?

you could put us on bungy cords and we could all beat each other with dull gaffs and boga grips

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Sashamy

The plight of the buffalo someone else brought up...apples and oranges...first of all that was a time period when ther was no government agencies protecting wildlife, secondly buffalo are mammals they reproduce at rate that is not even comparable to a fish that lays millions of eggs at one time...but what we can compare is the processes of natural selection...the weather...rainfall...run-off also contribute to the success of these creatures ability to survive and reproduce...

uh well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Doug, that "someone" was me. and my reference to the complete and utter decimation of a particular species was made to show how The Age of Industry, Westward Expansion, and good-old fashioned American Greed (the comm trappers were paid quite handsomely) led to the anihilation of one of God's resources. imho, these beasts and their existences have been intertwined with the American Striper, and the Atlantic Coast Menhaden since Creation. i beleive that God gave the Plains Indians the Buffalo for food/clothing/shelter/tools, and that he gave to the Narragansetts/Mohegans/Sachems/Algonquins the Bunker for a natural fertilizer and the Striper for food among other species and plants. the plentifulness alone of them before the "whiteman" came along and destroyed each of them, with no regard for them as a partner in Life nor Environment, speaks most loudly to the level of ignorance and neglect that this country has always had towards its "neighbors".

quite simply, Doug~~~~~

just because there is no law against what havoc we wreak on environment and species,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that does not equate to the justification of our abhorent behavior. do you think that the trappers were right for the actions they took, at the behest of the US gov't, back then that led to the total demise of the great American Bison? how do you suppose the Plains Indians felt at the time? hey, the Jean-Luc Trappierres of the world weren't breaking any US Laws!! they had families to support and the Buffalo were there, right? gimmeee a break!

for me the same goes for this scenario,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,numbers can be switched and swayed however you would like them to be favored.

Originally Posted by Sashamy

I applaud you gentlemen for your thinking, but I am a little worried about your lack of compromise...why punish and continue to persecute the sector of the fishery that is hook and line? highly regulated? and done by a panel of your peers? anyone can get a license it is not a special interest group...just my two cents... Doug

and how is it a fish grab if ALL parties are in favor of a reduction in the take? 1 @ 36", free the pogies, and nobody is saying no to charters~~~ we ARE saying that something needs to be done so as NOT to repeat the past. we are saying no comm's for a time,,,,,2-3 yrs??? how harmful can it be to relieve our beloved prey of some pressure for a short period of time? and if as you said we ALL got licenses, well then that would REALLY boost the comm take now wouldn't it? and isn't it a little like shooting fish in a barrell these days once you hit Stellwagon? not much sport there, Sport! just sum thoughts, Doug.

[animal]

Who the eff,ever trapped buffalo?