How can I make this happen?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

exactly, but thats just me tweakin' my story....
I've tried to rephrase it many ways - be a man, dont worry about it, you'll survive, etc....the risk of catching anything from a bathroom is incredibly slim. This thread was about OTHERS washing their hands, not you.

Yeah, I got that from your 1st post.....

I'm amazed people here are this paranoid about germs considering they Handle eels, pogies, stripers and other fish that swim in their own "toilet" on a regular basis.

[RIJIMMY]

you always did understand me.

[The Dad Fisherman]

[ecduzitgood]

I don't like getting sick and if more people washed there hands then there would be less sick people. My hand washing isn't going to prevent all illnesses but it does lower my risk of many. I am somewhat surprised that some people have such strong opinions when it comes to hand washing. It only takes a minute and it might just prevent you from getting sick.

[PRBuzz]

I'd be willing to bet that 98+% of the people that do wash their hands do it in a way (majority of the time) to be non-effective at decontamination of the hands.....false sense of security? Have you ever watched a surgeon scrub for an operation?

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by PRBuzz

I'd be willing to bet that 98+% of the people that do wash there hands do it in a way (majority of the time) to be non-effective at decontamination of the hands.....false sense of security? Have you ever watched a surgeon scrub for an operation?

I am sure you are correct but hey I'll take some effort compared to none. At least try to look considerate, civilized or just well mannered.

[RIJIMMY]

this thread has evolved from concerns over dirty bathroom door handles to the merits of hand washing to control germs.

[RIJIMMY]

this about sums it up....

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

this thread has evolved from concerns over dirty bathroom door handles to the merits of hand washing to control germs.

My intentions were to see if anyone knew how to get the practice of put the sinks inside the restroom changed to the outside, some sort of design/code type change. It's all Barry's fault I find myself looking everywhere for change but there doesn't seem to be any.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

My intentions were to see if anyone knew how to get the practice of put the sinks inside the restroom changed to the outside, some sort of design/code type change. It's all Barry's fault I find myself looking everywhere for change but there doesn't seem to be any.

write your congressman and get a bill passed that will fund a study on how to get that done and if it needs to be done, to spend our tax money and stimulate the economy and in the end no conclusion will happen because by the time the study about the subject is complete our government will be broke and bankrupt.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Yeah, I got that from your 1st post.....

I'm amazed people here are this paranoid about germs considering they Handle eels, pogies, stripers and other fish that swim in their own "toilet" on a regular basis.

and I just watched a video where a guy grabs a shiner, drops it on the bathroom floor, picks it up ( I assume it was the same one) and eats it
didn't even wash it off or get a different one

you don't want to get mercer on you, other stuff I understand , your immunity can handle most stuff.
But if your immunity is compromised for whatever reason, overworked and tired or you have a lung disease, you can get sick from others who don't take a moment to wash their hands. THAT is a shame.

[Backbeach Jake]

Hand washing is the easiest and best way to prevent disease. From the flu to polio. Most viral disease is spread through the fecal/oral route. In other words you've been handed sh!t and ate it without knowing.

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

write your congressman and get a bill passed that will fund a study on how to get that done and if it needs to be done, to spend our tax money and stimulate the economy and in the end no conclusion will happen because by the time the study about the subject is complete our government will be broke and bankrupt.

I emailed the CDC and got back what I would consider form letter info. It would appear they didn't even read my short message:

Sent: 1/22/2010 12:20:42 PM
To: cdcinfo@cdc.gov
Subject: A possible way to reduce the spread of disease

I would like the sinks for restrooms put outside of the restrooms. I think if everyone handles a door they think is dirty (it is) they will wash their hands.

Benefits:

Less floorspace needed for sinks (both men and women use the same sink).
People would be in the view of other so they would be more likely to wash.(employees must wash)
Less cost because there would be less sickness because of more hand washing.
Less paper towel waste because you wouldn't need the extra piece to open the door.
Less paper towel on the floor because people would be in view of everyone.
The only people I could see being against this would be the people who don't wash now.

What do you think?
How do I go about making this happen?

Their reply:

Thank you for your inquiry to CDC-INFO. In response to your request for information on how the flu virus is spread, related to the current H1N1 flu outbreak, we are pleased to provide you with the following information and resources.

The spread of 2009 H1N1 virus is thought to happen in the same way that seasonal influenza (flu) spreads within homes or communities. Flu viruses are spread mainly from person to person through coughing or sneezing by people who are sick with flu. People may become infected by touching something with flu viruses on it, and then touching their mouth or nose before washing their hands.

This H1N1 flu virus is new. Scientific research is being conducted to better understand its characteristics. Because this is a situation that is rapidly changing with new information available, please visit the CDC website CDC 2009 H1N1 Flu where you will find the latest updates posted daily.

Links provided to non-Federal organizations are provided solely as a service to our users. These links do not constitute an endorsement of these organizations or their programs by CDC or the Federal Government, and none should be inferred. The CDC is not responsible for the content of the individual organization web pages found at these links.

Thank you for contacting CDC-INFO Contact Center. Please do not hesitate to call 1-800-CDC-INFO, e-mail cdcinfo@cdc.gov or visit Centers for Disease Control and Prevention if you have any additional questions.

CDC-INFO is a service of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR). This service is provided by Vangent, Inc. under contract to CDC and ATSDR.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Please visit CDC-INFO's Customer Satisfaction Survey and tell us about your recent experience with CDC-INFO. The survey results will help improve our services. The address for the survey is CDC-INFO

CDC Publications:

Clean Hands Save Lives!
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/pdf/handwashing.pdf

CDC Resources:

2009 H1N1 Flu (Swine Flu) and You
National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, Influenza Division
CDC H1N1 Flu | H1N1 Flu and You

Interim Guidance for Novel H1N1 Flu (Swine Flu): Taking Care of a Sick Person in Your Home
National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, Influenza Division
CDC H1N1 Flu |Interim Guidance for Novel H1N1 Flu (Swine Flu): Taking Care of a Sick Person in Your Home

Keeping hands clean is 1 of the best ways to prevent the spread of flu (influenza) in a business setting. Washing your hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds (the time it takes to sing "Happy Birthday" twice) is the best way to keep your hands from spreading a virus. Be sure to wash both sides of the hands, between fingers and under the nails.

If you can't wash your hands with soap and water:
* Alcohol-based hand cleaners containing at least 60 percent alcohol can be used. After applying, rub hands until dry. However, hand rubs should not be used when hands are visibly soiled.
* If you don't have an alcohol-based hand rub, other hand cleaners (that don't have alcohol in them) may kill flu germs on hands. However, there isn't as much information about whether these types of hand cleaners are effective.

Until you are able to get vaccinated, the best way to help fight 2009 H1N1 influenza (flu) is to cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze, then throw the tissue away. Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after coughing or sneezing. Stay home if you're sick, and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them.

PHIB/ LWSP 9527, 9664

[THREAD ID:1-1NV5YZ] [SR No.:1-100559094]

I am afraid that my lack of a college education has put me at a disadvantage because I cannot properly communicate with others. It doesn't even seem as though they read it. I would have at least replied back with a simple:
We will look into the idea.
Thank you, CDC

[Joe]

It's nice to be able to wrap people up as exaggerated stereotypes that never really existed outside of TV Land....Makes dealing with them easier.

[Jenn]

for the record I AM a hand washer but I for one would NOT want to wash my hands in the same sink that all men and women have now used......you guys pull out the deal and then turn the faucet on? Now I have to turn on the same faucet? Its like I just touched mr> wiggles. Granted I am then washing my hands, sorry no offense, but still no thanks!

I will take my chances on washing and then having to touch the door handle.

If its so bad to you why dont you carry one of those little bottles of hand sanitizer with you?

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by Jenn

for the record I AM a hand washer but I for one would NOT want to wash my hands in the same sink that all men and women have now used......you guys pull out the deal and then turn the faucet on? Now I have to turn on the same faucet? Its like I just touched mr> wiggles. Granted I am then washing my hands, sorry no offense, but still no thanks!

I will take my chances on washing and then having to touch the door handle.

If its so bad to you why dont you carry one of those little bottles of hand sanitizer with you?

I spent a lot of years doing janitorial work and I can tell you from first hand experience the things women pull out in the ladies room that are far worse then what a man might be handling. Plus when it comes to filthy restrooms the womans is the worst hands down, it isn't even a competition, let me just say men don't hover. Plus you don't even want to handle the faucet after a guy ...Why?
I'm not saying "it's so bad" as you put it I am simply saying if more people would wash their hands then we would all be better off. People seem to just look at this has some germaphobic type issue, I'm not a germaphobe I simply find it RUDE AND IGNORANT when people don't wash their hands.

[GattaFish]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

you have to be f'in kidding me? How the hell have I tweaked my response and how have YOU PROVEN me worng???

We are not talking about disease spread via people and objects, we are talking about disease spread FROM THE BATHROOM, no???
I'll say it clearly as possible - random contact with piss or crap via a restroom will not cause you any health issues 99% of the time.
So you want PROOF, versus your nonsense replies - here goes:
random web research -
There are many simple things that protect you from airborne and surface bacteria, the most powerful being your own immune system. People in decent to excellent health can afford to be reckless more often than the very young or the elderly.
While it is obviously unsanitary to not wash your hands after touching dirty surfaces, more often than not, you will come away unscathed. Your body is tough enough
(WHOA ! wasnt I saying this?????)

from web md -
"To my knowledge, no one has ever acquired an STD on the toilet seat -- unless they were having sex on the toilet seat!" says Abigail Salyers, PhD, president of the American Society for Microbiology (ASM).


Common cold germs, like most viruses, die rapidly, and thus may be less of a threat than you think. "Even if you come into contact with particular viruses or bacteria, you'd have to contract them in amounts large enough to make you sick," says Judy Daly, PhD, professor of pathology at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.

so.....Im way off? You proved me wrong? So, you live your life worrying that some guy with Hep C may crap on his hands and then make some tuna salad for you? That chance is SO SMALL its insane. How do you drive a car? you chance of dying or getting injured is WAY higher than contacting a serious sickness from a restroom!

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

tell me one illness that is spread by that?

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

While it may be gross that people dont wash there hands after going to the bathroom, there is little implication to your health.

Jimmy,,, You did write the above posts right?????

and if you look,,, I gave you facts that were just the start of some of the things that are very serious and were POST SPECIFIC to your posts,,,,,,,, Correct,,,,

As far as your proof,,,,I don't see facts,,, just stuff from random searches (your words) on the internet which = Nonsense,,,,,,,,,,,

I couldn't wait to read this tonight,,,,, I think I struck a nerve,,,,,,

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

I spent a lot of years doing janitorial work and I can tell you from first hand experience the things women pull out in the ladies room that are far worse then what a man might be handling. Plus when it comes to filthy restrooms the womans is the worst hands down, it isn't even a competition, let me just say men don't hover.

Funny, when I read Jenn's post I was going to post the same thing.....I was a janitor for a couple years back in and after high School....Women's room were the worst.

[Jenn]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Funny, when I read Jenn's post I was going to post the same thing.....I was a janitor for a couple years back in and after high School....Women's room were the worst.

hmm...maybe I am way off on this one, or maybe the "woman" stuff is "acceptable risk" to me. Either way men and womens using the same sink makes for twice the amount of people slobering their germs in one place, no?

[ecduzitgood]

Actually with all of the motion sensor style fixtures they have no one would have to touch the faucet, soap or even the paper towel dispenser. And as far as the male and female germs they are for the most part the same. I would just like to make it so more people would wash their hands so that less people would become sick. Businesses could actually put a camera that would monitor employees exiting the restroom and see if they wash their hands.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

Businesses could actually put a camera that would monitor employees exiting the restroom and see if they wash their hands.

I was understanding you up to this......but that is rediculous.

I'll show them my nice clean hands....one finger at a time.

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I was understanding you up to this......but that is rediculous.

I'll show them my nice clean hands....one finger at a time.

Then I guess you don't wash your hands then; do you? Cameras are everywhere so it shouldn't matter, and if it has to do with the food industry then it should be mandatory.

[The Dad Fisherman]

I wash 'em...but I'll be damned if I have to be monitored to prove it.

why don't they just put cameras in the stalls just to make sure we wipe our arse.....thats basic Hygene too.....

For someone so paranoid about the bathroom door handle, have you ever had takout.....enjoy....because you have no idea do you.

I worked with a guy that used to be ultra paranoid about germs and cold....he's always be spraying his lysol and as soon as the temps got down to 70 he's putting on his long johns.....guy was always sick.

Me.....I never worried about the whole uber germ exposure.....I wear short sleeves year round, never get a flu shot.....the 7 years I worked there i missed one day of work....I'll stick to my way of doing things, Thank You

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I wash 'em...but I'll be damned if I have to be monitored to prove it.

why don't they just put cameras in the stalls just to make sure we wipe our arse.....thats basic Hygene too.....

For someone so paranoid about the bathroom door handle, have you ever had takout.....enjoy....because you have no idea do you.

I worked with a guy that used to be ultra paranoid about germs and cold....he's always be spraying his lysol and as soon as the temps got down to 70 he's putting on his long johns.....guy was always sick.

Me.....I never worried about the whole uber germ exposure.....I wear short sleeves year round, never get a flu shot.....the 7 years I worked there i missed one day of work....I'll stick to my way of doing things, Thank You

The whole point was the spread of germs and if people will just wash their hands more then there will be less illness simple. Am I wrong about hand washing? I was a janitor for about 10 years so if I was any kind of germaphobic type person I never could have done that. Cameras in the stalls read your signature it covers that idea.
And the take out food come on I was a part time bus boy when I was a teenager so I know and I also drink from soda cans that maybe a rat walked across you are missing the point.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

The whole point was the spread of germs and if people will just wash their hands more then there will be less illness simple. Am I wrong about hand washing? I was a janitor for about 10 years so if I was any kind of germaphobic type person I never could have done that. Cameras in the stalls read your signature it covers that idea.
And the take out food come on I was a part time bus boy when I was a teenager so I know and I also drink from soda cans that maybe a rat walked across you are missing the point.

Not missing the point at all......you stated having cameras watching you wash your hands....correct. I think that is rediculous......that was my stand on that statement.

it has nothing to do with hand washing...it has everything to do with my privacy.

YOU are the one that turned it around in to me not washing my hands and made it a hand washing issue..

I was also a Janitor for 3 years and I was in the Navy for 7.....probably washed just as many toilets as you in that 7 year span. I was also a dishwasher and and worked for a catering company and saw what goes on there too....

anybody else feel strongly about people viewing and recording their personal cleaning habits?

[ecduzitgood]

Whether a person washes his/her hands is not a personal privacy issue it has an effect on the public therefore I see no harm in people possibly being observed when doing so. Why would a person not want anyone to see them wash their hands? Do you wait until there is no one in the restroom before you wash yours or is this just the slippery slope type of reasoning?

[RIJIMMY]

sorry Dad, I'm staying out of this. Its getting way too wacky.

[GattaFish]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

sorry Dad, I'm staying out of this. Its getting way too wacky.

Me to,,,, hope your well RIJIMMY

[The Dad Fisherman]

You ain't kiddin......He's right....my signature does say it all.....I think I'm bailing on this argument too....

I think I'll go take a leak and then make some Meatballs....

[ecduzitgood]

Nice guys, label me then bail rather than admit that it was you guys that dragged this thread to the point of absurdity. I ask a simple question and you felt you had to challenge the idea so I defend my idea but you persist in throwing out opinions until it is me that looks bad.