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Old 02-08-2010, 06:41 PM   #1
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I suppose in a perfect world.
The com kill is documented.
The charter kill SHOULD be documented. (easy to do for an honest man)
The rec kill SHOULD be documented. (easy to do if you care )
Then you would have just the facts, mam.
And all this ridiculous finger pointing would go away.

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Old 02-08-2010, 07:01 PM   #2
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I suppose in a perfect world.
The com kill is documented.
The charter kill SHOULD be documented. (easy to do for an honest man)
The rec kill SHOULD be documented. (easy to do if you care )
Then you would have just the facts, mam.
And all this ridiculous finger pointing would go away.
Well, the new saltwater fishing license requirement certainly sets the stage for the documentation you're calling for.

Three-fourths of the Earth's surface is water, and one-fourth is land. It is quite clear that the good Lord intended us to spend triple the amount of time fishing as taking care of the lawn.
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Old 02-08-2010, 07:03 PM   #3
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Well, the new saltwater fishing license requirement certainly sets the stage for the documentation you're calling for.
The truth is out there !

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Old 02-08-2010, 07:05 PM   #4
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The truth is out there !
You can't handle the truth!
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You can't handle the truth!
Not many can ,Paul.
So if I win the Panama trip wanna go ?

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Old 02-08-2010, 08:26 PM   #6
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Not many can ,Paul.
So if I win the Panama trip wanna go ?
For sure I'm in, especially since you blew me off on Costa Rica!

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Old 02-08-2010, 10:31 PM   #7
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Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

I'll make it up to you with a trip to Kona.

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Old 02-08-2010, 07:17 PM   #8
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Let's at least find the truth whatever it may be.......then worry about how to handle it!
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Let's at least find the truth whatever it may be.......then worry about how to handle it!
I agree...was joking.

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Old 02-08-2010, 07:18 PM   #10
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Well, the new saltwater fishing license requirement certainly sets the stage for the documentation you're calling for.
Yeah Im sure it does... To register for NY as a charter Captain its up to $650! You think everybody will report honestly as to what they catch? Same like the NJ... People Will Not. Your not wieghing the fish in by a 3rd party, the numbers are whatever you feel like them being... Where is the $$$ Going? Im sure its to help the fishery right? Or to enforce violations like the local police are doing in a recession to raise more money??? Heck, My brother just got a letter from the State of NJ, he cashed out a small percentage of his 401k, went through an accountant, paid taxes... Last week he recieved a letter from the state that he didnt pay enough, owes $500 plus $1000 in late fees and interest. Says Statute of limitations does not apply even though its 5 years... Government needs more money is all... By any means, we fish, so We all Must be Loaded!!! Dont kid are selves that this saltwater license thing is a good thing, just another TAX! You should see the amount of people the IRS is Recruiting at the colleges! sorry to get off topic.... Somewhat...
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Old 02-08-2010, 07:17 PM   #11
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I suppose in a perfect world.
The com kill is documented.
The charter kill SHOULD be documented. (easy to do for an honest man)
The rec kill SHOULD be documented. (easy to do if you care )
Then you would have just the facts, mam.
And all this ridiculous finger pointing would go away.
Next year you should get your wish.At 'east from a statistical point of view. Right now they have a very good estimate of what the charter/party boats kill via the NMFS charter/party survey. Last year I think I was surveyed every month from May till oct.

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Old 02-08-2010, 07:21 PM   #12
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That survey had lots of correction factors. Who knows what is real anymore.
I am talking about an unattainable Perfect scenario here.

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Old 02-08-2010, 07:27 PM   #13
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That survey had lots of correction factors. Who knows what is real anymore.
I am talking about an unattainable Perfect scenario here.
Your referring to the telephone survey as currently randomly conducted?

Perfection is a far off dream in a single person's eyes (your perfect is not/may not be the same as my perfect) but there are methods of getting closer than what is practiced today for taking surveys. How much money you got to spend?

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Old 02-08-2010, 07:57 PM   #14
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No survey.
Say you go to the canal and catch 4 fish.
You decide to keep the bleeder. You report one fish killed, thats all.
You either call it in to an automated service. ( press one for one fish two for two etc ). No weight or length, just a number of fish kept.
Or e-mail it at your convenience.
Simple, done once at the end of the year, just an easy way to get better data.

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