Complaint thread

[Tagger]

sorry ... can't read all those caps ..

[Islander77]

Woody well below the belt I agree... How bout I start insulting peoples homes???? And as far as waste and annaihalating stocks ok every guy that keeps shorts and over limits IN THE REC feild do just as much damage but hey what do i know.... You can keep blaming us the commercial guys that FOLLOW THE LAW all we can do...

AND SEA DANGLES ... Say what you want about regs because since they were implemented BI has been the place to skirt them. A little island of pirates and black market bonanzas where it is convenient to avoid authorities. ...If there were no regs you would be mowing lawns or driving a tour bus.

1) UMMM all fish landed there???? not in many many years try it gets landed in POINT JUDITH and 2 as far as that goes the only Black market guy you describe came from NY Montauck to be exact and pushed the big sell me your fish for cash back in the day... Avoid authorities yea like dem and audoboun society who are there frequently... Mowing lawns yea I do that too to help out my grandfather with his accounts from time to time... Oh wait as do some of my relatives still do... Dont start talking unless you know the facts man... I dont throw remarks about from where your from...

If you all cant see reality then sorry for you wait and see when the corparations take it over and there REALLY is no fish left...

AND yes I am one of many many fisherman that support the Ideals of if ti comes up it should be going against a quota and go to market... I really wish some of you all knew facts first hand then from what your being spoon fed... But good luck fishing when big business takes over and really truly does " rape the sea" for everything and leaves it for dead....

"Bycatch" by definition is the catching of a difeerent species or species of fish then what your target fish is....

"Waste" by reality is being told to dump good fish thats dead over once it come up on deck ,

We dont try for waste we end up with bycatch, if you cant understand that then thats sad

[JackK]

New regulations starting May 1st are going to seriously reduce the amount of groundfish discards while at sea. Boats won't be required to discard that bycatch, they'll be allowed to land it and that poundage is taken out of a total quota. It's part of the new NE shift to Sectors.

Now whether or not sectors will work in the NE ports is a completely different debate... no comment.

Islander, I understand you're pissed, and you have every right to be. But please realize that not all people at noaa/nmfs are "nerds". Some are in management, and make the rules/regs. Others strictly perform research and are devoted towards providing the best possible data for fisheries management. And there's entire divisions of noaa devoted towards working with fishermen to obtain quality data. Some of us are a little more united than you might think

[Islander77]

Originally Posted by JackK

New regulations starting May 1st are going to seriously reduce the amount of groundfish discards while at sea. Boats won't be required to discard that bycatch, they'll be allowed to land it and that poundage is taken out of a total quota. It's part of the new NE shift to Sectors.

Now whether or not sectors will work in the NE ports is a completely different debate... no comment.

Islander, I understand you're pissed, and you have every right to be. But please realize that not all people at noaa/nmfs are "nerds". Some are in management, and make the rules/regs. Others strictly perform research and are devoted towards providing the best possible data for fisheries management. And there's entire divisions of noaa devoted towards working with fishermen to obtain quality data. Some of us are a little more united than you might think

Jack you are correct not all are nerds... and if your that united tell them to get a real net please so their test instruments are real... And yes sector will change things dramatically WE HOPE if they can do better math that is lol.... the biggest draw back to sector so far seems to be leaning towards vessel size and not landing history to determine it from what I have been hearing but here is hoping to a brighter future...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Islander77

the biggest draw back to sector so far seems to be leaning towards vessel size and not landing history to determine it from what I have been hearing but here is hoping to a brighter future...

sector based fishing quotas will based on catch history of the vessel not vessel size. Boats who have been sitting at port or have not been active for the past few years are going to get screwed. The guy who is really going to get screwed is the captain who wants to buy another boat with poor landings, even though he has been doing well on his current boat.

[BasicPatrick]

Originally Posted by Nebe

sector based fishing quotas will based on catch history of the vessel not vessel size. Boats who have been sitting at port or have not been active for the past few years are going to get screwed. The guy who is really going to get screwed is the captain who wants to buy another boat with poor landings, even though he has been doing well on his current boat.

Isn't that scenario a little like feeling bad for a guy who insists on buying a Toyota Dealership or a typewriter service company in the next year. The commercial fishing buisness will never again be what it was and the fleet is going to shrink. Ecosystem based management plans are coming and far less people will be catching the same amount of fish just so that regulatory discards are converted to sellable product. This is a fact. Buy a boat and get what you deserve right now.

[JackK]

Originally Posted by Islander77

Jack you are correct not all are nerds... and if your that united tell them to get a real net please so their test instruments are real... And yes sector will change things dramatically WE HOPE if they can do better math that is lol.... the biggest draw back to sector so far seems to be leaning towards vessel size and not landing history to determine it from what I have been hearing but here is hoping to a brighter future...

Nets aren't a problem. If you've been out fishing for haddock on GB, you know it's common for ~10 boats to be fishing right in the same area, and one boat hits the 10,000lb school while the rest get nada. That's just the way it goes sometimes. There's so many different versions of that story (research vessel was towing with no doors, net was full of holes that weren't mended, etc etc) out there.

The movement now needs to go towards cooperative research- using commercial fishing vessels to obtain catch data (in addition to survey and observer data). That, along with the development of new trawls (or gillnets, or dredges, etc) that reduce bycatch are going to be the future of the northeast fisheries.