todays CCTimes erosion article

[Karl F]

Lower Cape beaches battered | CapeCodOnline.com

[fishonnelsons]

Hey Karl - they all took some hits, be interesting to see how much does get filled back in, naturally, this Spring.

One newer house at Ballston, on the right hand side of the little path/driveway going up to the beach, a few weeks ago, was maybe 30 ft from the high tide line, have not seen it since then. They were trying to sell it for the past year or so, as it was relatively new and a real nice house, lucky to get anything for it now.

Not to bring up the P word, but will be interesting to see the nesting patterns this year - will they nest higher up in the dunes and sea grass, or do a fly-by and head to other states?

Hope all is well, chomping at the bit with this weather!

[JohnnyD]

$70,000 to rebuild the stairs??

[Sweetwater]

Originally Posted by fishonnelsons

Hey Karl - they all took some hits, be interesting to see how much does get filled back in, naturally, this Spring.

One newer house at Ballston, on the right hand side of the little path/driveway going up to the beach, a few weeks ago, was maybe 30 ft from the high tide line, have not seen it since then. They were trying to sell it for the past year or so, as it was relatively new and a real nice house, lucky to get anything for it now.

Not to bring up the P word, but will be interesting to see the nesting patterns this year - will they nest higher up in the dunes and sea grass, or do a fly-by and head to other states?

Hope all is well, chomping at the bit with this weather!

Never been so glad that I can't afford ocean front property.

Seriously though, hate to see these people lose their homes.

[eelskimmer]

I believe flood insurance which is supplied by
Fed. government (i.e. taxpayer) will cover the
losses of fools who build on floodplain and
beach front. Or are we the fools????

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

$70,000 to rebuild the stairs??

The figure to build a set of stairs from the new scenic overlook on Perry Ave in Buzzards Bay to the Canal service road was even more than that, if I remember correctly

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Mike P

The figure to build a set of stairs from the new scenic overlook on Perry Ave in Buzzards Bay to the Canal service road was even more than that, if I remember correctly

Doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

[tattoobob]

These are stairs that are 60 feet high set in sand, the 70,000 seems a little high but when you consider the hight and Safety factor of building the stairs, setting up staging on sand these have to be all pressure treated wood and stainless nails/screws I bet the price is right on, and didn't they say two different sets of stairs?

[MAKAI]

I dunno I watched 2 carpenters take two weeks to build a little connector deck between 2 modular classrooms, really nothing more than a weekend project.
I can see stairs being 70 grand, then having cost overruns and coming in 40% over budget, with a strike or two thrown in.

[Backbeach Jake]

Longnook and Ballston have historically taken a beating by the Atlantic. In the early 70s a kid was buried at Longnook by an unstable dune and was lost. Just after that Ballston broke through to the Pamet and Truro and Provincetown were an island, briefly. There's some pics at the fishmarket beside Nelson's Too and the Hillside farmstand.

[l.i.fish.in.vt]

alot easier for me to launch the tin and kayak without a beach to drag them over

[tattoobob]

As long as they let us drive on the beach if not then it's a long way to carry your kayak

[bloocrab]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

$70,000 to rebuild the stairs??

It is a bit high, but you'd be surprised once you're all said and done how quickly things add up. Permits, Architect or Designer, the risk driving the labor cost up...even though the laborers won't see the increase in their paychecks.....


Ouch , sux for those home owners who are at risk.

[l.i.fish.in.vt]

Bob,most of the the places i launch from are not drive on beachs

[saltfly]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

As long as they let us drive on the beach if not then it's a long way to carry your kayak

The Seashore is going to pork the ORV crowd first on what ever beach is left.Wait till "tweetie Pie and Friends" show up.

[Karl F]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

Longnook and Ballston have historically taken a beating by the Atlantic. In the early 70s a kid was buried at Longnook by an unstable dune and was lost. Just after that Ballston broke through to the Pamet and Truro and Provincetown were an island, briefly. There's some pics at the fishmarket beside Nelson's Too and the Hillside farmstand.

remember both incidents... there was much talk of the Ballston/Pamet break becoming permanent at some point....
as we know, nothing is permanent in the sand...but that is a logical place for a break in the cape..at some point in time, in the future...as is the area near the Orleans Eastham town line...the Rotary area... the historic site of Jerimiah's Gutter... the first CC...(almost) canal....

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by MAKAI

I dunno I watched 2 carpenters take two weeks to build a little connector deck between 2 modular classrooms, really nothing more than a weekend project.
I can see stairs being 70 grand, then having cost overruns and coming in 40% over budget, with a strike or two thrown in.

Must've been a Union job.

Originally Posted by bloocrab

It is a bit high, but you'd be surprised once you're all said and done how quickly things add up. Permits, Architect or Designer, the risk driving the labor cost up...even though the laborers won't see the increase in their paychecks.....

Or they could subcontract the work to a reputable company, waive the permitting process since it's a government job and have the job done in a week.

[gone fishin]

From the NPS 3/8/10

The recent storms have significantly damaged facilities at Cape Cod National Seashore beaches, according to Superintendent George Price.

At Nauset Light Beach in Eastham and Marconi Beach in Wellfleet, the stairs to the beach are gone. Bluffs at these beaches are very steep and visitors are being restricted from these areas. Sand slumping off in large sections is a serious safety issue for visitors standing at the edge or attempting to climb down the front of the dune. At Coast Guard Beach in Eastham there is a significant drop from the edge of the walkway to the beach. The bike bridge that crosses Nauset Marsh near Coast Guard beach in Eastham was inundated. It has been closed because it is structurally unsafe. Damages to these facilities are estimated at $150,000 to $500,000.

“Wind-generated high waves, compounded by astronomical high tides over several days have caused repetitive and cumulative damage to these important visitor access facilities,” Superintendent Price said. “We’re asking visitors to stay back from the edges of bluffs because they are very unstable and could collapse at any time without warning.”

Park staff are evaluating the damage so cost estimates can be developed and storm repair funds can be requested. The timeframe for replacing the beach access stairs is anticipated to be 2-1/2 months.