Liars

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

except that premiums will rise for those that have insurance (80% of the pop) the deficit will rise and taxes will too. Other than screwing the WORKING taxpayers, its win/win!

The bill contains measures to slow the rate of premium increases for existing policies...how slow is certainly open to debate.

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

The bill contains measures to slow the rate of premium increases for existing policies...how slow is certainly open to debate.

-spence

I know you're kind of a big deal, but could you take the time to answer one question for me?

Where is all the money coming from to pay for this government run health care?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I know you're kind of a big deal, but could you take the time to answer one question for me?

Where is all the money coming from to pay for this government run health care?

Spence is a lot like Biden, he really has no idea what he's talking about but just keeps talking because he likes to hear himself talk, he's usually wrong and leaves you wondering if he's really that stupid or just evil he's only a big deal in his own mind

the answer is the same as for all of the other government entitlements and unfunded obligations

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I know you're kind of a big deal, but could you take the time to answer one question for me?

Where is all the money coming from to pay for this government run health care?

A lot of it from taxing the wealthy.

If you'd read the bill you'd know that.

-spence

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by spence

A lot of it from taxing the wealthy.

If you'd read the bill you'd know that.

-spence

You read all 2700 pages ?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

You read all 2700 pages ?

He has the special readers digest version with pictures that they also give Biden. It has a unicorn and rainbow on the cover

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

A lot of it from taxing the wealthy.

If you'd read the bill you'd know that.

-spence

That would be everyone making over 200K. Hell, I think they are paying for just about every CHANGE Obama can dream up.

Keep dreaming Spence. My brother works for the DPW and he figured change just cost him $1800 a year

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

A lot of it from taxing the wealthy.

If you'd read the bill you'd know that.

-spence

Clearly, I've read more of the bill than you. I have to admit that when you use vagaries like "a lot of it", it sounds like the wealthy are going to be supporting the rest of us. In typical Spence fashion though, you don't provide any real numbers because you don't know them. The wealthy will only be paying a higher tax on Medicare. If you read the bill, you'd know that.

Do you know anything about the mandates in the bill that could raise the price of premiums? Maybe you wouldn't mind having a plan that requires you to have coverage for infertility treatments or wigs. When the government mandates that a plan can only legally be sold in a state if it has certain mandates, it's effectively forcing people to pay more for their coverage.

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Clearly, I've read more of the bill than you.

Clearly.

I have to admit that when you use vagaries like "a lot of it", it sounds like the wealthy are going to be supporting the rest of us.

Don't they already?

In typical Spence fashion though, you don't provide any real numbers because you don't know them. The wealthy will only be paying a higher tax on Medicare. If you read the bill, you'd know that.

It's unfortunate that I'm so important as I don't have the idle time to do a lot of homework, perhaps I could ask my admin, but I doubt she'd comply.

The wealthy are going to bear the brunt of this bill, and the benefits are going to be spread among everyone else. It's not just the hikes in Medicare taxes for the rich, which are a primary source of funding, but applying Medicare taxes to income such as dividends and capital gains. Additionally it's going to cost more for companies to insure highly compensated executives.

Do you know anything about the mandates in the bill that could raise the price of premiums? Maybe you wouldn't mind having a plan that requires you to have coverage for infertility treatments or wigs. When the government mandates that a plan can only legally be sold in a state if it has certain mandates, it's effectively forcing people to pay more for their coverage.

There are also aupposed to be negotiated concessions with the insurance industry to cut costs.

I'm not aware of anything in the new bill that mandates coverage for infertility treatments, and as for wigs, I'm just thankful nobody in my family has cancer...

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

It's unfortunate that I'm so important as I don't have the idle time to do a lot of homework, perhaps I could ask my admin, but I doubt she'd comply.

The wealthy are going to bear the brunt of this bill, and the benefits are going to be spread among everyone else. It's not just the hikes in Medicare taxes for the rich, which are a primary source of funding, but applying Medicare taxes to income such as dividends and capital gains. Additionally it's going to cost more for companies to insure highly compensated executives.
How do you define "wealthy"?


There are also aupposed to be negotiated concessions with the insurance industry to cut costs.
Cut what costs?

I'm not aware of anything in the new bill that mandates coverage for infertility treatments, and as for wigs, I'm just thankful nobody in my family has cancer...
I'm thankful nobody in your family has cancer, too. Unfortunately, I know a lot about what it does to people and the people close to them. It's an awful disease.
Do you need me to define "mandate" for you? If someone wants coverage for wigs or fertility drugs, they can choose a plan that covers those things. If it's mandated that everybody has to have a plan with those things covered, the premiums will cost more and you won't have a choice. Kind of like the old "don't worry, we know what's best for you" thing that seems to be the way of the administration.

Why don't you get back to me when you've had a chance to at least browse a little of the bill.

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Why don't you get back to me when you've had a chance to at least browse a little of the bill.

In think you need to defend your assertion that the wealthy are not footing a lot of the bill.

As for "wealthy", the Administration thinks it's above 250K. Personally I don't think that's rich, but we're talking about the top 2% of households who already pay over 40% of Federal taxes.

I'm in between planes right now, sorry if I don't have the time for some pretty graphics to adorn my post.

-spence