OBAMA.. ONE BIG ASS MISTAKE AMERICA...

[JohnnyD]

Dragging is a disgusting practice. We need to go the route of other countries and outlaw it. So destructive it's depressing.

[Islander77]

Spence, RIrock, And JohnyD...
My rant about the failure we have as presidentis more aimed towards the facts that he allowed this to happen. Now as far as show you proof ask NOAA/NMFS to get out observer reports for the last 5 years that are sitting in closets and storerooms ignored.. or shredded... The cod/ haddock argument.. Talk to the ones who DROPPED teh legal size so draggers could waste the biomass... I think its a little funny that we have the person we do in the head seat of noaa... She WAS appointed by Obama... Is there ever a good time to make repos/ foreclosures.. Obviously not but when some one throws money at GMC, Banks and yet tells the FISHING industry, that " If we want a buyback/ buyout program, IT HAS TO BE INDUSTRY FUNDED.." So the ones who decide to stay in for whatever reason have to pay for it for their lives??? As I have said I am all about conservaion not devastation. If left alone they collapse, buy what? The thought that some of us are over fishing is in a nut shell REDONKULOUS... We cant keep what we catch??? How in the world is the USA reliant on other countries for seafood??? YES 80% of the seafood in this country is IMPORTED So if we are overfishing why is that??? Thesystem needs to change.. Alternatives give people their FAIR share of a quota end of story.. OH and if you think NMFS/NOAA will " Be able to change regulations quickly if needed..." I got some great ocean front property for you in AZ....

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Islander77

Spence, RIrock, And JohnyD...
My rant about the failure we have as presidentis more aimed towards the facts that he allowed this to happen. Now as far as show you proof ask NOAA/NMFS to get out observer reports for the last 5 years that are sitting in closets and storerooms ignored.. or shredded... The cod/ haddock argument.. Talk to the ones who DROPPED teh legal size so draggers could waste the biomass... I think its a little funny that we have the person we do in the head seat of noaa... She WAS appointed by Obama... Is there ever a good time to make repos/ foreclosures.. Obviously not but when some one throws money at GMC, Banks and yet tells the FISHING industry, that " If we want a buyback/ buyout program, IT HAS TO BE INDUSTRY FUNDED.." So the ones who decide to stay in for whatever reason have to pay for it for their lives??? As I have said I am all about conservaion not devastation. If left alone they collapse, buy what? The thought that some of us are over fishing is in a nut shell REDONKULOUS... We cant keep what we catch??? How in the world is the USA reliant on other countries for seafood??? YES 80% of the seafood in this country is IMPORTED So if we are overfishing why is that??? Thesystem needs to change.. Alternatives give people their FAIR share of a quota end of story.. OH and if you think NMFS/NOAA will " Be able to change regulations quickly if needed..." I got some great ocean front property for you in AZ....

The bottom line I get out of this, is that left unchecked, if you were allowed to keep what you caught (within reason) there would be no problem with overfishing and the industry would be fine?

I would have to say 'redonkulous' on that one. Many species certainly are overfished, and blame is on both the managers and fisherman on that one. There is a long history of going further and further in fisheries through time. If catches were sustainable, the same grounds would be viable ad nauseum. This is not the case, and has not been the case for a hundred years or more. Should we go the route of Canadian Cod fisherman, and ignore the problem until the stocks have collapsed, perhaps beyond repair?

I would prefer smaller fleets with smaller boats, who can better target a species and reduce by-catch. If that means rod-reel, pots, traps etc.., then more power to it!

[Islander77]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

The bottom line I get out of this, is that left unchecked, if you were allowed to keep what you caught (within reason) there would be no problem with overfishing and the industry would be fine?

I would have to say 'redonkulous' on that one. Many species certainly are overfished, and blame is on both the managers and fisherman on that one. There is a long history of going further and further in fisheries through time. If catches were sustainable, the same grounds would be viable ad nauseum. This is not the case, and has not been the case for a hundred years or more. Should we go the route of Canadian Cod fisherman, and ignore the problem until the stocks have collapsed, perhaps beyond repair?

I would prefer smaller fleets with smaller boats, who can better target a species and reduce by-catch. If that means rod-reel, pots, traps etc.., then more power to it!

Not what I was saying at all.. But remember when the feds choke a fishery then open it wide open to draggers and on top of it drop keeper size to fit catch ( haddock recently) then its never gonna change. The sad part is I dont want to see or nor do I think any one else would want to see a corperate sized companies in fishing, they have BIG money and BIGGER lawyers.... Can you say devastation with no limits there..

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Islander77

Not what I was saying at all.. But remember when the feds choke a fishery then open it wide open to draggers and on top of it drop keeper size to fit catch ( haddock recently) then its never gonna change. The sad part is I dont want to see or nor do I think any one else would want to see a corperate sized companies in fishing, they have BIG money and BIGGER lawyers.... Can you say devastation with no limits there..

I guess we need to look at Obama's record and just continue to trust that he will do the right thing for the American people..

[Raven]

but when i heard him endorse his POS buddy
to be re-elected govenor of Taxachusetts
i just wanted to puke....

i've had enough of HIM already
or both.......

they should be married