The first POTUS from another home country

[spence]

Sounds like she just misspoke and forgot to say "father's"...

I guess it would be funny if you were so anti-American you would grasp at ANYTHING to discredit our President and democratic system.

Otherwise, it's pretty boring.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Sounds like she just misspoke and forgot to say "father's"...

I guess it would be funny if you were so anti-American you would grasp at ANYTHING to discredit our President and democratic system.

Otherwise, it's pretty boring.

-spence

I didn't say it Spence, she did. I'm just reporting it.
Seems they "misspeak" alot

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Sounds like she just misspoke and forgot to say "father's"...

I guess it would be funny if you were so anti-American you would grasp at ANYTHING to discredit our President and democratic system.

Otherwise, it's pretty boring.

-spence

I don't have any doubts as to whether Obama is a natural born US citizen or not. I'm satisfied and he is our elected president.

Funny how just a few years after many on the left were doing the exact same (some could say worse) also "were so anti-American [they] would grasp at ANYTHING to discredit our President and democratic system."

Hell, I can find it here on these boards.

Sad part is we have become so polarized as a country and so incapable of working together that we're really in for a bleep storm the next few years.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Funny how just a few years after many on the left were doing the exact same (some could say worse) also "were so anti-American [they] would grasp at ANYTHING to discredit our President and democratic system."

I think there is a difference.

There were some on the far left who disliked Bush from the start, but for the most part people gave him the benefit of doubt. It wasn't until the Iraq war started to be revealed for what it was that the mainstream support turned ugly. Hell, I was a Bush supporter on most issues until 2004.

With Obama it's been an effort to undermine his foundation from the start, and many of the same topics continue to this day. This is why this thread is...and for no other reason.

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

I think there is a difference.

There were some on the far left who disliked Bush from the start, but for the most part people gave him the benefit of doubt. It wasn't until the Iraq war started to be revealed for what it was that the mainstream support turned ugly. Hell, I was a Bush supporter on most issues until 2004.

With Obama it's been an effort to undermine his foundation from the start, and many of the same topics continue to this day. This is why this thread is...and for no other reason.

-spence

Not what I saw at all Spence. Keep in mind I never once voted for Bush. Remember the viscous attacks before he got elected (Florida for example?), the general attacks along the way with a brief respite after 9/11?

...If you don't support our guy, you're unpatriotic blah blah blah...


I see this on both sides but I also see the media pushing significant bias helping to fuel this. I was watching Chris Matthews for a while tonight and watched him rallying the troops against the "Teabaggers". First for sending in death threats to a WA Senator in which Matthews states the "teabagger" leaving the phone message says this and that and then he continues the piece with Pete Williams and cuts off Pete Williams when ole Pete states it was confirmed that the man issuing the threats was not a "republican", a member of the Tea Bag party. He cut off Williams when ole Pete started squashing his rant.

Then Matthews had a video segment with "racial hate speech" on a congresswoman at some town hall meeting - I heard no racial speech in the segment - and she's cutting off a guy talking about how much programs cost. Since when does discussing how much programs COST constitute hate speech?

Ooops, gotta run - have to go work now to pay taxes for stuff I cannot question about costs for being labeled racist

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Not what I saw at all Spence. Keep in mind I never once voted for Bush. Remember the viscous attacks before he got elected (Florida for example?), the general attacks along the way with a brief respite after 9/11?

There's always a fringe that will dog the opponent, but the Liberal fringe is really quite small. I don't remember a mainstream disdain for Bush for his first year though...

I see this on both sides but I also see the media pushing significant bias helping to fuel this. I was watching Chris Matthews for a while tonight and watched him rallying the troops against the "Teabaggers". First for sending in death threats to a WA Senator in which Matthews states the "teabagger" leaving the phone message says this and that and then he continues the piece with Pete Williams and cuts off Pete Williams when ole Pete states it was confirmed that the man issuing the threats was not a "republican", a member of the Tea Bag party. He cut off Williams when ole Pete started squashing his rant.

Then Matthews had a video segment with "racial hate speech" on a congresswoman at some town hall meeting - I heard no racial speech in the segment - and she's cutting off a guy talking about how much programs cost. Since when does discussing how much programs COST constitute hate speech?

Mathews is out to make hay like any TV personality is. He's certainly not a Republican, but not a big liberal either. He's more like an O'Riley who thinks they are a journalist, neither are ideologues but Chris doesn't have Bill's self serving ego.

All that being said...the language and attitude towards Obama isn't like what I saw at Bush 43 at all. There's a very legitimate policy reaction, but also something underneath it all...something disturbing.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

There's always a fringe that will dog the opponent, but the Liberal fringe is really quite small (minded). I don't remember a mainstream disdain for Bush for his first year though...what?...are you Rumpelstiltskin or something?

Mathews is out to make hay like any TV personality is. He's certainly not a Republican wow...that's some revelation, but not a big liberal either I just wet myself laughing. He's more like an O'Riley who thinks they are a journalist, neither are ideologues but Chris doesn't have Bill's self serving ego haaaaaaaaaaaa.

All that being said...the language and attitude towards Obama isn't like what I saw at Bush 43 at all. There's a very legitimate policy reaction, but also something underneath it all...something disturbing.probably RACISM

-spence

you definitely inhabit a different planet Spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

you definitely inhabit a different planet Spence

Or perhaps just more observant and objective.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I think there is a difference.

There were some on the far left who disliked Bush from the start, but for the most part people gave him the benefit of doubt. It wasn't until the Iraq war started to be revealed for what it was that the mainstream support turned ugly. Hell, I was a Bush supporter on most issues until 2004.

With Obama it's been an effort to undermine his foundation from the start, and many of the same topics continue to this day. This is why this thread is...and for no other reason.

-spence

I think it started with he stole the election....twice and got worse from there.

I too believe he is US born. I was shocked to hear otherwise, but who am I to question the First Lady.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

I think it started with he stole the election....twice and got worse from there.

Mostly because he did. Elections should be made by the people, not the courts.

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by spence

Hell, I was a Bush supporter on most issues until 2004.
-spence

Wow....how do I make this my signature????

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

I think there is a difference.

There were some on the far left who disliked Bush from the start, but for the most part people gave him the benefit of doubt. It wasn't until the Iraq war started to be revealed for what it was that the mainstream support turned ugly. Hell, I was a Bush supporter on most issues until 2004.

Agreed 100% - I voted for him in the first election (like I did for his dad) and regretted it about 2 -3 months after 9-11. I think he also did a better job near the end of his 2nd term. Too much listening to the cheney and the far right.