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Old 04-28-2010, 01:16 PM   #1
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Some nice fishing structures.........

I'm glad it wasn't in my backyard since I've already gone solar and renewable (wood)! All for it.

Those views can be fixed with photoshop, can't they?

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Old 04-28-2010, 01:32 PM   #2
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I hear there's an overpopulation of kittens in Hyannis coming from Bill Koch's butt.

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Old 04-28-2010, 02:55 PM   #3
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What a testiment...

to the idiocy of politics. Ancient technology instead of sensible, efficient technology like Nuclear power, etc. Of course the ignorance surrounding Nuclear power is astounding even in this dumbed down society! Windmills ...
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Old 04-28-2010, 04:16 PM   #4
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That Blows!!!

Someone had to say it!

Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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Old 05-03-2010, 09:32 AM   #5
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to the idiocy of politics. Ancient technology instead of sensible, efficient technology like Nuclear power, etc. Of course the ignorance surrounding Nuclear power is astounding even in this dumbed down society! Windmills ...

DITTO!

They are in my back yard and frankly I don't care either way. I like the idea of putting them up for fishing structure, (horseshoe shoal is a desert and lets be honest it is not fished that much by comm fishermen...just a few bluefish out there in the rips, I have been there, the added structure would help the fishing IMO.) I don't like the view but are maddened by the outright lies and the promises about the amount of power and the costs. (if it were not for the tax breaks they would be wayyyyy too expensive/kwh) I see the whole think as sort of a student experiment. My attitude is ...go-ahead, do-it, knock-yourself out BTW....I will let you go out there in February and service them

The fundamental problem will all solar related energy is that it is LOW ENERGY DENSITY...this basically means you have to have a lot of high maint equipment spread over a very large area to produce any meaningful amount of power. Moreover what burns me the most is that the advocates are painting this as the "solution" to the energy problems. It is far from it and NEVER will be, it physically can't. They claim the wind farm will provide 70% of the Cape and I's power demands...The cape and I's are a seasonal population for the most part with fairly low population density of summer homes. The energy demands of a city like Boston, NY Chicago, Miami, etc...is mind blowing and this would not even provide a few percent, if that. Will wind farms produce clean energy...yeah but this is way over hyped. The Denmark examples are foolish. Have you seen the way these people live? They have a population of what....RI? LOL! We would have to go back to the stone-age, live in tiny places, headed by a few logs. No AC, No 50" TV's, not gonna happen in the US. Low energy density methods are fine for very low population based regions with intermittent power demands, to think of it powering a major city is outright naive and foolish.

The long term solution to the planets electrical demands is some form of atomic power. You will see next-generation plants that are far more modern than in the past, and eventually the waste issue will be solved. Look, when you see a nuclear sub, that provides enough electrical power 24/7/365 for a small city is compact to fit in a 30'dia hull, and runs for up to 30 years on a "fill up", you will see what I mean. Further, the amount of spent material after the 30 year period amounts to the volume of a golf ball. All this without any gasses to the atmosphere.

Burning anything..(including wood) is not green. Wood burns at low temps and produces a ton to toxic gasses, renewable or not it is disruptive to the environment. Everyone can't burn wood, this is not a solution, imagine if everyone heated thier house or apt. in NYC with wood...forgeaboutit

We need a kick ass power grid and Research money in atomic energy period!

What this administration should be doing is preparing the nation for a massive grid upgrade. I see (after we are all dead and gone), everything electrical, and you will go home and your car will be charged from the power plant...we can't do this now even if we had the cars with advanced batteries because we don't have the utility gird to support everyone charging up a car each day. This where the "stimulus" money should go...build a state of the art power grid and provide research $$$ in the atomic energy fields along with strong incentives (read: real money and tax breaks) for kids that excel in the science fields to pursue this in grad school instead of going into the investment banking world.

We need REAL POWER and A LOT OF IT! windfarms are a toy.

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Old 05-03-2010, 02:06 PM   #6
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The Denmark examples are foolish. Have you seen the way these people live? They have a population of what....RI? LOL!
5 1/2 mil.
1 mil short of MA.

And they must live terribly if they only live in a place with the room they NEED to live. I mean c'mon, why doesn't everyONE in the world have a 3 car garage and their house have 3 extra rooms they heat for the hell of it right? LOL!!!!!!

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
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We need REAL POWER and A LOT OF IT! windfarms are a toy.
every flat roof in America put solar, even at its current cost and efficiency we could be largely rid of foreign resources for electrical power.
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every flat roof in America put solar, even at its current cost and efficiency we could be largely rid of foreign resources for electrical power.
every train car and semi has a flat roof that is going unused for solar too

the problem as i see it is: our manufacturing method to make an automobile body .............right now......
we punch press metal then ad cusion ,insulation and plastic.

car bodies need to be semi transparent so the solar cells can be sandwiched in between -> so they should filter light like prescription sunglasses do (as well as change color) and create their own energy (power) when parked in the sun.
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every flat roof in America put solar, even at its current cost and efficiency we could be largely rid of foreign resources for electrical power.

It is not just the production of eco-energy but the storage of produced electrons to match consumer demand.

I have a solar PV array but the electricity either gets used or wasted as the cost for the batteries were about 2X of the PV array. We need R&D into cheap energy storage technologies, i.e. batteries.

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It is not just the production of eco-energy but the storage of produced electrons to match consumer demand.
. We need R&D into cheap energy storage technologies, i.e. batteries.

totally good point....Buzz, battery technology is DISMAL but slowly improving
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since the base of the wind turbines attracts fish to the "structure"
anyway.........

it should be a dual duty enterprise and additional thought needs to
go into it making it even more inhabitable for marine life just like an artificial reef.
maybe they could be ringed with daisy chains of tires perhaps
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20 years ago in Wired magazine they talked about a two element wire mesh that would calcify
if a small amount of electric current were
run thru it...and effectively mineralize (my word) seawater into an artificial coral that is super strong.

This technology combined with geodesics is the most incredible idea ....for Ocean Farming
that got buried into oblivion.
that i have ever come across.
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to the idiocy of politics. Ancient technology instead of sensible, efficient technology like Nuclear power, etc. Of course the ignorance surrounding Nuclear power is astounding even in this dumbed down society!
There is still HUGE startup cost to building a nuclear facility and the waste (spent rods) issue from the last 50 yrs has yet to be solved. Attached is from the WSJ:
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