This person was chosen to possibly be vice president???

[RIJIMMY]

Scotts right - you spend more time on Palin who leads nothing than on the guy running this country. Just. A reminder - 2 wars, guantanamo, recession, unemployment, natl debt, largest oil disaster ever. How's it going?
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[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Scotts right - you spend more time on Palin who leads nothing than on the guy running this country. Just. A reminder - 2 wars, guantanamo, recession, unemployment, natl debt, largest oil disaster ever. How's it going?
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Ah right. Because there are other issues in the country, we aren't allowed to pay attention to anything else. Palin willingly puts herself and her asinine comments out for the public.

The funny issue is that you and scott are fixated on Obama and unable to see anything else. You may not be aware, but there is a world outside of bitching and moaning about Obama.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Palin willingly puts herself and her asinine comments out for the public.

The funny issue is that you and scott are fixated on Obama and unable to see anything else. You may not be aware, but there is a world outside of bitching and moaning about Obama.

as do you....

I was actually fixated on her boobies when you posted the pic...soooo...not entirely fixated on the Face Stuffer-in-Chief...I also fish a lot.....there is a world outside of bitching and moaning here about Palin you know

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Just. A reminder - 2 wars, guantanamo, recession, unemployment, natl debt, largest oil disaster ever. How's it going

Incredible what Obama has inherited isn't it?

And then they attack him for a lack of "focus."

Oy vey.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Incredible what Obama has inherited isn't it?

And then they attack him for a lack of "focus."

Oy vey.

-spence

Every POTUS "inherits" the history that precedes him and that occurs on "his watch." The presumption is they want it, else why run for the office. What's your point?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Every POTUS "inherits" the history that precedes him and that occurs on "his watch." The presumption is they want it, else why run for the office. What's your point?

The point is that Obama was left with the worse economic situation since the great depression with many pillors of our economy on the verge of going out of business in addition to 2 wars (1 we shouldn't have been in).

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The point is that Obama was left with the worse economic situation since the great depression with many pillors of our economy on the verge of going out of business in addition to 2 wars (1 we shouldn't have been in).

drink some more kool-aid.

I love the "worst economic situation since the great depression"
Yeah, maybe for people who have no knowledge of history.

lets see -
70's oil crisis
Vietnam
WWII
Korean War
Cuban Missile crisis
9/11
Dot com bubble
MULTIPLE RECESSIONS and Periods of Unemployment , with gasp...... HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT THAN THE LAST FEW years...

gee, Obama sure has it rough!

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

drink some more kool-aid.

I love the "worst economic situation since the great depression"
Yeah, maybe for people who have no knowledge of history.

lets see -
70's oil crisis
Vietnam
WWII
Korean War
Cuban Missile crisis
9/11
Dot com bubble
MULTIPLE RECESSIONS and Periods of Unemployment , with gasp...... HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT THAN THE LAST FEW years...

gee, Obama sure has it rough!

At least you make me laugh

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

At least you make me laugh

70's oil crisis
Vietnam
WWII
Korean War
Cuban Missile crisis
9/11
Dot com bubble

what's funny?? people dying and suffering during these events?? you think it's funny...you have a very sick sense of humor and need psychological help!!!

at least I think that's how a lib would respond

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The point is that Obama was left with the worse economic situation since the great depression with many pillors of our economy on the verge of going out of business in addition to 2 wars (1 we shouldn't have been in).

No. Spence's point, as far as I can tell, is that it is incredible that "they" attack Obama "for a lack of focus"--incredible because he "inherited" "two wars, Guantanamo, recession, unemployment, Natl debt, largest oil disaster ever."

As for your "worse economic situation since the Great Depression"--that "situation" has been building through "inherited" mismanagement and continued mismanagement of several administrations and continues to do so under the management/mismanagement of the Obama administration.

The wars also are a continuation of world pressures and radical Islamic attacks that led to our response to 9/11 (presumabley the war we should be in?) and expanded to Iraq which Obama says is basically over and Biden says is going well (so the "bad" war was a good inheritance.) Guantanamo was not supposed to be an inheritance since "O" said he would simply close it. Recession is an in-and-out that most POTUSes, if they're smart, let run its natural course and don't prolong or exacerbate with opportunistic political meddling (don't let a crisis go to waste). Unemployment expanded under "O" from what he "inherited." The National Debt has been "inherited" by all POTUSes who pass it on to the next, larger than what they "inherited." "O" has already grown the Debt MASSIVELY in less than two years. And he didn't "inherit" the oil disaster.

Now, most of what "O" "inherited" was what he promised to "fix." That is, presumably, what got him elected. So why should he , or any other President, past, present, or future, be coddled for "inheriting" the burdens they promise to fix. If they are attacked by a "they" for lack of focus, . . . then . . . focus.

I do not feel sorry for the executive branch because of its overburdening workload. The POTUSes have brought it on themselves by usurping the powers that were meant for others--other branches of gov. especially powers granted to the States and the People, NOT to the Federal Gvt. and NOT to its executive branch. Wars, YES. Recessions, unemployment, oil disasters, hurricanes, NO. And once having stolen these responsibilities for themselves, it is unseemly to complain about being overburdened, to the point of lacking focus, with the problems that were not meant to be handled by one man and his politically motivated cronies.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Every POTUS "inherits" the history that precedes him and that occurs on "his watch." The presumption is they want it, else why run for the office. What's your point?

Previous experience leads me to believe that if you didn't get it the first time there may be no use trying.

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Heh heh...She said Dyke...

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Palin is irrelevant. Get over it. My future and my childrens are in obamas hands, the lives of our soliders, obamas hands. And spence, inherited? Who doubled down in afghanistan?
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Doubled down telling the opposition when we'd pull out

And yes, Palin is irrelevant.

We suffer from a lack of leadership all over both parties.

[JohnR]

OK, following up on this the reactions may be very typical knee-jerk and maybe, just maybe she didn't come across well enough in the 30 second sound bite. Reading this stuff does a better job of flushing out what she may have been talking about.

This is from a Blog that is pretty good with things naval and maritime and this particular blogger is Dutch or Belgian IIRC.

Information Dissemination: Deepwater Horizon: Dutch Point Of View

In Dutch media I'm reading an increasing criticism regarding the response to the oil spill in the Mexican Gulf and the use of their expertise and equipment.

So, first, the timeline according to the Dutch press and press-releases from Dutch companies and governments:

* April 25. Only 3 days after the accident with the oil platform the Dutch offered their skimmers to combat the oil spill. According to the Dutch consul-general in Housten the reaction of the American government was that help was not needed, because they could handle it themselves.

* May 6. Dutch research institute Deltares and dredging company Van Oord propose an inovative concept to combat the oil spill. The US government has been alerted to the existence of this proposal through the contacts that have been established between the 2 governments since hurricane Katrina.

more...

* May 28. The Dutch have offered 3 sets of sweeping arms, after a US request. T&T Marine Salvage, which has been hired by BP, will use these skimmers. They should be operational next week.

* June 16. Boskalis has gotten a contract to deliver sand to make barriers to protect the Lousiana coast, based on the proposal from May 6.

And now for the critique.
One thing that always pops up is the Jones Act, or more correctly Section 27 of the Merchant Marine Act from 1920. In practice the Act means that foreign vessels can't be employed in the oil spill.
Boskalis has a local company, Stuyvesant Dredging with a US flagged ship, so that's how they were able to get a contract.

The US thinks that the sand barriers will take 9 months to be completed, but Belgian dredgers claim they can do it in 4. They also say the Jones Act is the reason the US is using antiquated technology to combat the oil spill. The European companies, of which the Dutch and Belgians ones are seen as the best in the field by most, buy their ships in the Middle East for only halve the cost of building it in the US.

The company that manufactures the skimmers that have been sent, has said that had the US allowed them from the beginning to use their skimmers they could have done this clean-up with their eyes closed. This is because the skimmers have the capacity to clean up the amount of oil that is leeking in 7 hours.
They also say the USCG was well aware of the skimmers and have visited the company 3 times in the past.

But now the skimmers are in use, the company that manufactures them says they are not being used right. They say communication with the Americans is going slowly and they do not listen to the Dutch instructors. Currently only 5% of their actual capacity is being used, because BP is sending the ships too close to the source. The problem is that the oil is not very thick there, reducing the effectiveness of the skimmers.
The communication between the USCG, BP and T&T Marine could also be a lot better, the Dutch company says. Now it is 'too many chiefs, not enough indians'.
Cargo capacity is also a problem, and because of the Jones Act, foreign ships with a cargo capacity 3 times that of US ships cannot be deployed.

There is more, and at the blog many of the links go to Dutch sites that I can't read.

While I'm no Palin fan (naughty librarian looks aside) it looks as though she may have been on to something and not just looking at the lights from nearby Russia.

Read it - Information Dissemination