NMFS Closes Atlantic Bluefin Tuna (BFT) Northern Area Trophy Fishery - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

JohnnyD · 07-20-2010, 08:20 AM

Take, take, take, take.... until it's all gone.

It's a shared resource, isn't it?. If there is a concern about trophy class fish, rec/charters/comms should all be reduced.

buckman, you forget that if someone makes money off of a resource, then you have an elevated level of entitlement to it and can say "screw everyone else."

buckmanjr · 07-20-2010, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

buckman, you forget that if someone makes money off of a resource, then you have an elevated level of entitlement to it and can say "screw everyone else."

I make money off the resource, no one else should fish for them except me

Slick Moedee · 07-20-2010, 09:44 AM

in this thread is why it was closed in the first place. The recreational "trophy" North quota for 2010 was only 1.7 mt or or 3,750 lb. If you were to use a 200 lb avg weight that is only 18 fish. Looking back over the years this "trophy" has always only had a handful of fish. This wasn't a biological issue, but an accounting one.

animal · 07-20-2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Take, take, take, take.... until it's all gone.

It's a shared resource, isn't it?. If there is a concern about trophy class fish, rec/charters/comms should all be reduced.

buckman, you forget that if someone makes money off of a resource, then you have an elevated level of entitlement to it and can say "screw everyone else."

The part that YOU forget,is that Comms can ONLY target fish over 73 inches.They can't take one home to eat,unless it's over 73.

JohnnyD · 07-20-2010, 08:41 PM

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The part that YOU forget,is that Comms can ONLY target fish over 73 inches.They can't take one home to eat,unless it's over 73.

Nope, didn't forget it at all. Also didn't forget that recs only took a reported 5 Trophy class fish in 2009.

If Trophy class fish are that much in trouble and considering Comms can ONLY target fish over 73", that's all the MORE reason that the Comms quota should be reduced or shut down.

animal · 07-20-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Nope, didn't forget it at all. Also didn't forget that recs only took a reported 5 Trophy class fish in 2009.

If Trophy class fish are that much in trouble and considering Comms can ONLY target fish over 73", that's all the MORE reason that the Comms quota should be reduced or shut down.

Who says they're in trouble?The recreational quota has been reached.Therefore,it was closed.
5 trophy fish caught last year,huh?I saw a lot more than that posted on the various tuna forums last year.

big jay · 07-21-2010, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Nope, didn't forget it at all. Also didn't forget that recs only took a reported 5 Trophy class fish in 2009.

If Trophy class fish are that much in trouble and considering Comms can ONLY target fish over 73", that's all the MORE reason that the Comms quota should be reduced or shut down.

5 "Reported" fish. There were more than 5 "trophy fish" taken by recs bragging on the internet with pictures.

I wouldn't take people's lack of reporting their catch as an indication of stock size.

Raider Ronnie · 07-21-2010, 06:30 AM

Anyone think the recs need to organize and come together and fight the issues more the way the charter boat associations and commercials do instead of complaining on STUPID internet sites like this one and others !

buckman · 07-21-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Anyone think the recs need to organize and come together and fight the issues more the way the charter boat associations and commercials do instead of complaining on STUPID internet sites like this one and others !

We do it's called the ABTA. I agree Ron.

likwid · 07-22-2010, 10:16 AM

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The part that YOU forget,is that Comms can ONLY target fish over 73 inches.They can't take one home to eat,unless it's over 73.

Why should a comm be allowed to take home fish? You're not in it for food, you're in it for money.
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MakoMike · 07-22-2010, 04:30 PM

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Why should a comm be allowed to take home fish? You're not in it for food, you're in it for money.
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Money=food=money does it not? Most commercial fishermen eat a lot of fish. Groundfisherman are allowed to bring home 20lbs of fillets that don't count against their quota.

likwid · 07-22-2010, 05:45 PM

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Money=food=money does it not? Most commercial fishermen eat a lot of fish. Groundfisherman are allowed to bring home 20lbs of fillets that don't count against their quota.

If you don't like the rules, quit.

animal · 07-23-2010, 12:52 AM

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If you don't like the rules, quit.

Um,yeah,again,this closure is for recs.

animal · 07-23-2010, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by likwid

Why should a comm be allowed to take home fish? You're not in it for food, you're in it for money.
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I only mentioned it,because,someone thought it would be a good idea to close the 73 inch plus,to ALL user groups.Someone who thinks that recs are somehow being treated unfairly.Even though the recs are the ones who went over their quota.

buckman · 07-23-2010, 05:09 AM

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I only mentioned it,because,someone thought it would be a good idea to close the 73 inch plus,to ALL user groups.Someone who thinks that recs are somehow being treated unfairly.Even though the recs are the ones who went over their quota.

They made a ton of money off permits knowing 12 days after the permit sale deadline they would change the rules to the game. They knew well ahead the qouta was over. I think that's what upsets me the most. The Rec qouta for trophy fish was set at 1.7mt. Thats like 10 fish for 30K permits. They need to reset the qoutas. The Comms can't catch their share anyways, so what's tha big deal?

nightfighter · 07-23-2010, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman

They made a ton of money off permits knowing 12 days after the permit sale deadline they would change the rules to the game. They knew well ahead the qouta was over. I think that's what upsets me the most. The Rec qouta for trophy fish was set at 1.7mt. Thats like 10 fish for 30K permits. They need to reset the qoutas. The Comms can't catch their share anyways, so what's tha big deal?

This fishery and its permitting/quota/reporting process has been mismanaged for a long time. Is why my rec permit was not applied for this year. Was waiting to see what class of fish was here before deciding which way to go.
The most recent regulatory change has made the comm sector appear to be a special interest group of the Obama administration. The NMFS took the money and then made the non recs the "elite" darlings.
There are and will continue to be a number of boats fishing without permits this year, until the ground rules are set for Aug-October, which many consider to be the peak season.
I know of many recs who, if they landed a trophy, would have no problem getting it over the rail of a special interest permit holder and getting it to market...... Just saying, it is the reality. As is the inherent mortality the new regs are going to have on the fishery, even with C&R....which is a joke with 50% of the yahoos out there....