Short fish........

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by piemma

Depends. One spring I was fishing the West Wall In RI and I observed a bunch of folks from another country ( I am not judging based on ethnic background) taking one short after another. I went over and told them, figuring they didn't know there was a size limit. This one guy calmly pulled a 9MM Glock out of his waistbank and pointed it right at my head. I backed away very slowly never turning my back on him.

Interesting, after I soiled myself I'd probably call the cops and EPOs but what to do on the revenge order of effect.

Originally Posted by numbskull

Bothers me less than watching someone kill two 40's.......a lot less.

Disagree here - if they are taken legally. If illegal, that's a different story.

[piemma]

[QUOTE=JohnR;789141]Interesting, after I soiled myself I'd probably call the cops and EPOs but what to do on the revenge order of effect.


Fortunately (or unfortunately) I have had guns pointed at me by the "enemy" before so that didn't bother me as much as the fact that I was unarmed. Now, if we leveled the playing field I guarentee there would have been a different ending to the story.

[MrHunters]

[QUOTE=piemma;789147]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Interesting, after I soiled myself I'd probably call the cops and EPOs but what to do on the revenge order of effect.


Fortunately (or unfortunately) I have had guns pointed at me by the "enemy" before so that didn't bother me as much as the fact that I was unarmed. Now, if we leveled the playing field I guarentee there would have been a different ending to the story.

a lot worse has happened for a lot less. you are a lucky guy.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Disagree here - if they are taken legally. If illegal, that's a different story.

Hence, my post. What is worse for the striped bass population, a dead schoolie or a dead 40lb fish? Does it matter to the striped bass population (and those of us who hope to catch big fish in the future) whether the fish was killed legally or illegally?

Getting upset about someone breaking the law is all well and fine, but all of us kill fish (including C&R), and it is quite likely that recreational fishermen who legally kill big fish do more harm to the fishery than those who illegally kill little fish.

If it bothers you that someone is killing a short bass because you can't legally do it and wish you could (therefore it feels unfair).......all well and fine. But if it bothers you because you feel that the guy killing small fish is harming the resource, yet you feel comfortable killing and keeping large fish (particularly two at a time), then just maybe you are hiding behind the law rather than examining the impact of your actions on others.

Just sayin', not preachin'. When a law itself is bad, following it does not necessarily make everything right. The more big fish that are allowed to swim, the better for all of us.........regardless of what the law permits.

[Back Beach]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Hence, my post. What is worse for the striped bass population, a dead schoolie or a dead 40lb fish? Does it matter to the striped bass population (and those of us who hope to catch big fish in the future) whether the fish was killed legally or illegally?

Getting upset about someone breaking the law is all well and fine, but all of us kill fish (including C&R), and it is quite likely that recreational fishermen who legally kill big fish do more harm to the fishery than those who illegally kill little fish.

If it bothers you that someone is killing a short bass because you can't legally do it and wish you could (therefore it feels unfair).......all well and fine. But if it bothers you because you feel that the guy killing small fish is harming the resource, yet you feel comfortable killing and keeping large fish (particularly two at a time), then just maybe you are hiding behind the law rather than examining the impact of your actions on others.

Just sayin', not preachin'. When a law itself is bad, following it does not necessarily make everything right. The more big fish that are allowed to swim, the better for all of us.........regardless of what the law permits.

Good lord, I actually agree with everything you posted...hell just dropped 300 degrees too...

[JoeBass]

[QUOTE=numbskull;789180]Hence, my post. What is worse for the striped bass population, a dead schoolie or a dead 40lb fish?

No schoolies, no 40 lb fish. Both bad.


Last week in Maine i pointed out to a guy on the beach that the fish he was keeping was over the size limit. (Maine = 1 fish a day between 20-26 inches OR 1 fish over 40 inches). His was clearly low 30's. He gave me a "don't be an a-hole" look and continued on his way with the fish, big grin on his poaching mug.

[Raven]

it bothers me that he broke the law and That he is a Poacher

and is using the cover of darkness to get away with it...

if it had been me (having had a gun to my head and i've been in that situation before) i would have waitied and watched and followed him/ them home

i would have copied down license plates and called the cops saying someone armed and dangerous just held a gun to my head
yes officer.....
here is the address and the plate....

Now i agree wholeheartedly with ya George
about catch and release ~ and letten the big mama's go
protecting the resource and all that...

but i am also furious that such a prolific breeder of a fish
is not being artificially milked of eggs and grown in hatchery's
the same as trout in the North
given the resource that it is...

although i trout fish ...i use spinning gear, not a fly rod guy
and all the hoopla about why trout is the most revered and stocked fish
or salmon and that the great lakes (say) are not stocked with striped bass just angers me to no end......


Okay end of RANT carry on.. brea=ks over back ta werk

[JohnR]

Actually i feel we need better management regardless of comm or
recreational and that taking of fish illegally small big or indifferent is bad. I release 99.9% of what i catch too.

Personally i have no regrets in how i fish other than not enough in time and quality. Im stuck in intermediate.

It does bother me when people keep a fish they aren't supposed to when it is illegal regardless of size. Jealousy or wishing to catch doesn't even enter my mind.i have plenty of opportunity to keep 2/day but dont because that is waste AND idont subscribe to 2/day.

Now the real shame is that we argue at length rearranging the proverbial deck chairs while other issues occur like bycatch, poaching and myco rage on. Not too mention the forage.


Every fish taken from the biomass has an impact regardless of who and how. Taking a fish illegally by rec or comm only invites more taking of illegal fish.
That greed is not limited to any one usergroup.

Originally Posted by numbskull

Hence, my post. What is worse for the striped bass population, a dead schoolie or a dead 40lb fish? Does it matter to the striped bass population (and those of us who hope to catch big fish in the future) whether the fish was killed legally or illegally?

Getting upset about someone breaking the law is all well and fine, but all of us kill fish (including C&R), and it is quite likely that recreational fishermen who legally kill big fish do more harm to the fishery than those who illegally kill little fish.

If it bothers you that someone is killing a short bass because you can't legally do it and wish you could (therefore it feels unfair).......all well and fine. But if it bothers you because you feel that the guy killing small fish is harming the resource, yet you feel comfortable killing and keeping large fish (particularly two at a time), then just maybe you are hiding behind the law rather than examining the impact of your actions on others.

Just sayin', not preachin'. When a law itself is bad, following it does not necessarily make everything right. The more big fish that are allowed to swim, the better for all of us.........regardless of what the law permits.

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