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Old 09-22-2010, 08:44 AM   #1
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the Tea Party is simply backing the candidate that most closely represents these principles which are foreign to the lamestream media and much of the left but very AMERICAN...if the democrats, lamestream media and "left wing" are going to support and run "bearded Marxist" (or unbearded in the case of Obama) candidates...perhaps the center isn't at all where they imagine it to be...
And can you explain how O'Donnell is better enabled to demonstrate these principals than Mike Castle who the Tea Party chose not to back? We do know that Castle isn't squeaky clean, he did have that incident where he stood up to a "Birther" during a town hall.

The numbers clearly show that Mike Castle was likely going to win the mid-term election and gain a valuable Senate seat for the GOP.

According to a FOX News poll, as of yesterday, Coons leads O'Donnell 54 to 39 while Castle would be leading Coons by the same margin had he won the primary.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2010/sep/21/coons-crushes-odonnell-new-delaware-senate-poll/

If the Tea Party is really serious about reigning in government spending, one would think that early control of the House or Senate would be the highest priority. Control of either side is not a gimme, and in two more years the damage that could be done by Obama is staggering.

Instead they try to ride the anti-incumbent wave with a Palin look-a-like and back a candidate with little experience and views that are much further to the right than the usual demographics of the Delaware voters.

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Old 09-22-2010, 09:43 AM   #2
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And can you explain how O'Donnell is better enabled to demonstrate these principals than Mike Castle who the Tea Party chose not to back?
The numbers clearly show that Mike Castle was likely going to win the mid-term election and gain a valuable Senate seat for the GOP.

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Clearly was not desirable as a representative of those values for the senate, guess they didn't want to hold their nose and support a Rino like Castle who was not going to demonstrate any of their principles....we'll see in the general if it was a good move or a bad move...should they pick the schmuck just because he is a guaranteed win?...
he's(Castle) shown his true colors after the defeat... the same guy that lectured that the party and candidates should support any republican over any democrat in the general in a speech a while back....FRAUD apparently this applied to everyone but him....

The social creed was once the philosophy of rebels against established order; but, as Lionel Trilling long ago showed, it has become inseparable from a vision of power and mastery. The social idealist, Trilling said in 1948, is one “who takes license from his ideals for the unrestrained exercise of power.” The “ultimate threat to human freedom,” he wrote in a sympathetic account of George Orwell’s thought, could well come from a “massive development of the social idealism of our democratic culture.”


John Henry Newman, when he led the Anglo-Catholic Oxford Movement that shook the Church of England in the 1830s, went so far as to argue that naïve enthusiasm is more valuable, in reform movements, than the sophisticated tactical expediency that finds its “beau idéal” in “safe, sound, sensible men,” and in “a timid cautious course” charted by “second rate” characters “with low views” and “tame dull” ideas.

Newman conceded that the enthusiastic naïf is likely to have his foibles. But while “incidentally faulty in mode or language,” he is “still peculiarly effective.” The “very faults” of such an individual “excite attention; he loses, but his cause, if good, and he powerful minded, gains . . .”


and again...if what you say is in fact true, you should be thrilled, your hero will keep the Senate and continue with his agenda......but you should really focus more on your team as they really seem to be the ones in big trouble...

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Old 09-22-2010, 05:29 PM   #3
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Clearly was not desirable as a representative of those values for the senate, guess they didn't want to hold their nose and support a Rino like Castle who was not going to demonstrate any of their principles....we'll see in the general if it was a good move or a bad move...should they pick the schmuck just because he is a guaranteed win?...
How does siding with the Dems on some votes make you a Rino? I reviewed his voting history and he certainly has voted with the GOP on a majority of significant bills.

I thought the GOP was a "big tent" party. I guess if you don't tow the party line you're not really a member

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How does siding with the Dems on some votes make you a Rino? I reviewed his voting history and he certainly has voted with the GOP on a majority of significant bills.

I thought the GOP was a "big tent" party. I guess if you don't tow the party line you're not really a member

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No matter...Dem or Republican. The core values posted by John R. are what the majority in America want. We have not had them from either party. It's about time we have a bloodless revolution in this country. Thank the Tea Party for getting something done.
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No matter...Dem or Republican. The core values posted by John R. are what the majority in America want. We have not had them from either party. It's about time we have a bloodless revolution in this country. Thank the Tea Party for getting something done.
I thought the Tea Party candidates were running primarily as Republicans?

What makes you believe that once elected, Tea Party backed Republicans won't behave like GOP backed Republicans?

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I thought the Tea Party candidates were running primarily as Republicans?

What makes you believe that once elected, Tea Party backed Republicans won't behave like GOP backed Republicans?

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People are pissed off. What don't you get? The candidates that appear to have the values that America desires happen to be Repulicans.

The message will be sent. Eff up and you will be voted out. Do the people's work or you will be voted out. Why are you and JD so opposed to this message?
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The message will be sent. Eff up and you will be voted out. Do the people's work or you will be voted out.
Yup, if the AstroTurfs Tea Party didn't put "the wake up call" to the Silent Majority with the 5 principles,
and pointing out the incumbents who are taking us down a no return road,
it would just be the same old same old Washington's BS.

Good for them, now at least we have a chance to get back to those principles.

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The candidates that appear to have the values that America desires happen to be Repulicans.
You are grossly mistaken if you think a blanket statement like this can be made.

As usual, you have zero understanding of my opinion. The Tea Party Movement was founded on principles that I agreed fully with. The Tea Party Movement has turned into a joke due to the political extremists that take part in the rallies and the people chosen to be figureheads for the organization.

Their new alliance with the GOP to oust Democrats is a blatant slap in the face to any sympathizer to the group.
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No matter...Dem or Republican. The core values posted by John R. are what the majority in America want. We have not had them from either party. It's about time we have a bloodless revolution in this country. Thank the Tea Party for getting something done.
I thought the Tea Party had formed an alliance with the GOP to oust Democrats?
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-. Control of either side is not a gimme, and in two more years the damage that could be done by Obama is staggering.

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Spence, can you clarify for me?..Is this Spence speaking in this statement or are you channeling aTea Party member or someone else ?

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Spence, can you clarify for me?..Is this Spence speaking in this statement or are you channeling aTea Party member or someone else ?
I just threw that in to give you a little chub.

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