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09-21-2010, 04:58 PM
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Soggy Bottom Boy
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Billerica, Ma.
Posts: 7,260
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Agreed Mike, I have not once had a problem with any of my Aqua Skinz bags falling apart, I put my tail hooks in first nose up on the longer needles and Pencils, short plugs hang nicely from the insert. I'm not sure why your hooks are getting hung up in the bag maybe over loading? swimming deep wading and climbing with mine I even feel down a 75 foot cliff with no damage to the bag
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Surfcasting Full Throttle
Don't judge me Monkey
Recreational Surfcaster 99.9% C&R
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09-21-2010, 06:06 PM
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#32
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 10,295
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
There's also something to be said for spending what you have to for quality gear that will stand up to beatings.
There's spending money foolishly, and spending it wisely. Spending big money on a bag that's going to sit on the rocks, or stay slung over your shoulder while you're standing in the wash or along the shore of a bay, isn't spending it wisely IMO. Spending it on a bag that will remain tightly closed while you swim to a rock or skish, and has stitching that will stand up to salt water, and materials that won't tear on rocks, is spending it wisely.
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Not according to some of the people here.
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Originally Posted by Mugz
Bob,
The high priced bags make everyone THINK your are an experienced and accomplished fisherman....you didn't know this?
Plus, they help you catch WAY more fish.......and you'll look dam good doing it!!! 
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09-21-2010, 08:13 PM
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#33
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 69
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Go get 'em Paul !!
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09-21-2010, 08:17 PM
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#34
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Canceled
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: vt
Posts: 13,425
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I think some surf fishermen are getting Orvised up.
All hat, no cattle.
Like to hang out in the parking lot and talk.
Actually I think it's skinned up
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Lets Go Darwin
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09-21-2010, 08:49 PM
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#35
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 260
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris in Mass
Van Staal bags are great - lightweight, alot of velcro, don't retain water or hooks. Not outrageously priced either,
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Yep, I love my Van Staal single row bag... better than I like my aquaskinz large back.
Think its a great products for $100 (relative to the price of other bags). However, some of those commando bags are nice!
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09-21-2010, 08:53 PM
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#36
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: 61° 30′ 0″ N, 23° 46′ 0″ E
Posts: 8,158
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tattoobob
Agreed Mike, I have not once had a problem with any of my Aqua Skinz bags falling apart, I put my tail hooks in first nose up on the longer needles and Pencils, short plugs hang nicely from the insert. I'm not sure why your hooks are getting hung up in the bag maybe over loading? swimming deep wading and climbing with mine I even feel down a 75 foot cliff with no damage to the bag
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Hooks can penetrate the thin plastic walls of cheaply made inserts when you try to remove a plug. Canyon bags are especially noted for this. Same with the BW bags. This can happen whether the plug is nose up or nose down.
Hard plastic inserts, if they're cheap, will crack if the bag smashes against a rock.
With well made inserts, neither will happen. Some have larger drain holes in the bottom that the point of a hook can get through and cause the plug to become stuck in the bag.
The well-designed and well thought out bags have none of these problems. It doesn't mean that you need to spend $300+ for one, but you should look for those features in a bag.
The old Surfcaster Deluxe bag was a hell of a buy for around $130 if you didn't need to carry more than 4 big plugs. The front row of the inserts would only carry 4" or 5" plugs.
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Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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09-21-2010, 09:31 PM
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#37
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Northport,NY
Posts: 172
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I don't have one of these high end bags but I have some friends who do. The Maks, Commandos, and Ebb points are really well made. The price may be prohibitive for some (like me  ) but you can get them made how you want them. If you want a rind holder here and a water bottle there with this many bucktail pouches and d-rings all over the place then that is what you get. That is the one huge benefit since there are no bags out there that fill every one of my needs.
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09-21-2010, 10:40 PM
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#38
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Work hard. Fish harder.
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 764
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I just have two questions:
1. Is the $600 plug bag made by Gucci?
2. Does it come with gold plugs?
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09-22-2010, 07:06 AM
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#39
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Mid Coastal CT
Posts: 2,006
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I got sick and tired of killing every bag that I bought. Aquaskinz was destroyed in less than two months. Had it repairded, then destroyed it again. Next was Bronko, which lasted a bit longer, but also ripped apart.
I certainly dont consider myself an "Orvis Catalog" surfcaster. I have gear that works. I can get away with $150 waders and $50 wetsuits, but as far as bags go it seems that $100 doesnt get you that great of a product.
I fish hard. On average I would say 4 nights a week. My gear, including my bag, is completely submerged 80% of the time. Not to mention, getting slammed into rocks, etc... I needed a bag that would stand up to heavy abuse.
And BTW ... You ceretainly dont need to spend $600 to get a good sturdy bag.
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09-22-2010, 04:34 PM
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Spidey Senses
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 171
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lure bags
The $600 bag was probably the Hunter bag that originally retailed for $350 before all these upstart bag makers in the last couple of years. Hunter made excellent bags before closing shop. I hear he is preparing to open again. Anyway he amassed a big following and a longer waiting list for the only true custom bag available. Part of that $600 price is the collectible aspect i guess.
There are many quality custom bags available now for around $300. I've seen the Commando and it is a nice bag. The nice thing about most of these new lure bag makers is they are built 1 at a time and are true custom bags. If you want extra buck tail slots or a pork rind bottle holder, belt clips or even a flap that opens the opposite way you can get it that way.
I have several bags including Coastal and the original black Van Staal that are close to 20 years and still going strong. A good bag is worth the price. I hate when my gear falls apart or a manufacturer does not stand behind their product.
Some dont really need it but if you swim or fish hard buy the best you can afford. If you get tossed by a wave and lose all your plugs you will wish you had that extra velcro to keep it closed.
By the way most of the ideas in these new bags came from Steve Campo down here on Long Island who sold a few of his hand stitched bags for $500 over 20 years ago.
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09-22-2010, 10:13 PM
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#41
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Pete K.
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,953
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my father is a master tailor of 45 years... I never even thought of asking him to make me a bag... some things are so obvious, you never think of them! So what does a bag that holds 10 eels and 3 plugs look like???
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09-23-2010, 03:57 PM
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#42
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surfwalker
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cape Cod
Posts: 388
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Numbskull Bags
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
I think Numbskull made one last winter just to spite those who procrastinate.
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He made at least two bags...I got one!
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09-23-2010, 04:15 PM
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#43
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hyde Park, MA
Posts: 4,152
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHING_FOOL
Who is selling $600 plug bags???
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Can you get it monogrammed?
Does it come with matching boots?
How about a vanity mirror and measuring tape with gold-plated tab?
Just how many plugs can it carry, and will I need to get a new one when next season comes around?   
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09-23-2010, 04:33 PM
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#44
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: orange ct
Posts: 2,992
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Nick with Ken at EbbPoint make top of the line bags which I think are better made then Jimmy's bags were.
I have an early prototype 3 tube bag from Ken that I had made to my design with a large pocket in front for sluggos and rigged eels- and a pork rind pocket and bucktail holders and a pocket in the flap for leaders. I don't like all of this excessive velcro which drives me nuts so I had just an inch and a half of velcro put on the flap with a one handed buckle to keep the main flap closed and a buckle for the front pocket. In the spring, the front pocket was designed to hold a plano box for small rubber- instead of the rigged eels.
So the moral of the story is that it is worth paying some money if you can get the bag custom designed with everything you want for how you fish.
And it cost 14 percent of the Louis Vuitton hand bag I got my loving wife last Christmas.
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09-23-2010, 04:38 PM
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#45
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: N.K.
Posts: 1,330
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Just packed my AS small/tall.The fabric around the top that catches hooks is almost torn right off.The flap has been cut multiple times on the inside.It still holds plugs and sits on my belt just fine.Beat...but I think I bought it for under 50 bucks a couple years back.I have backups but that one fits my belt and holds the right amount of plugs for me.I haven't seen a 3 tube bag with a reasonable price tag on it.May just get another of the same and customize the spots that rip apart and collect hooks.Can't see spending big bucks on a bag to hold fishing lures that will never get washed cleaned or rinsed.Eel and bunker potion will seep into it ,fish slime and guts will help decorate the exterior. 
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09-23-2010, 05:33 PM
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#46
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: massachusetts
Posts: 512
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanputski
So what does a bag that holds 10 eels and 3 plugs look like???
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Me and some buddies have a great bag design that is exaclty what youre talking about. It includes an insulated zipper pouch for eels/riggies (holds 12) for the long 24 hour island trips overnighters. Water shares a wall so it stays cool. 3 tubes for plugs built in. Chest and shoulder strap. Has a bungie/rip stop nylon collapseable top to store a dry top.
Take a look at some of the inovations in rock and ice climbing bags. Black diamond and patagonia, plus other custom makers have some nice products to model after. Light weight is key!
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09-23-2010, 05:34 PM
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#47
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: massachusetts
Posts: 512
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Winter project, but we might network with a premier surfcasting bag manufacturer to get this design out there.
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09-25-2010, 09:11 AM
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#48
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 41
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I do own a high end bag and it is worth every penny. Can't agree enough with Paul S about digging hooks out or having a bag fall apart after you just walked 2 miles and you are in the middle of no where with nothing to fix it. It sucks, so I personally don't mind spending a couple hundred bucks on a bag that will last a life time. By the way...just noticed you could win a new custom surf bag on a particular site......(C) for your(S)elf
The moral of the story is - do you by something with a life time guarantee for $300 or do you spend $100 every year or even every other year.
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09-25-2010, 10:37 AM
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#49
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 797
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Nice to meet u last night pc, sorry the guy I was with was an a**. Some ppl just don't like changes or understand different ways of fishing.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
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09-25-2010, 11:07 AM
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Hardcore Equipment Tester
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Abington, MA
Posts: 6,234
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Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
The pricing is hilarious.
Dacron is about as cheap as you can get. 
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You forgot to mention the overseas labor.. 
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Bent Rods and Screaming Reels!
Spot NAZI
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09-25-2010, 10:25 PM
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#51
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,203
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pcfisherman
The moral of the story is - do you by something with a life time guarantee for $300 or do you spend $100 every year or even every other year.
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How's that lifetime guarantee work if the company is gone 2 years from now?
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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09-26-2010, 08:09 AM
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#52
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Soggy Bottom Boy
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Billerica, Ma.
Posts: 7,260
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
How's that lifetime guarantee work if the company is gone 2 years from now?
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It's the companies life not yours
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Surfcasting Full Throttle
Don't judge me Monkey
Recreational Surfcaster 99.9% C&R
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09-26-2010, 09:44 AM
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#53
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Night Stalker
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: ............
Posts: 3,605
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
How's that lifetime guarantee work if the company is gone 2 years from now?
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The quality is practically a lifetime guarantee. Have you seen these bags? The MAK and Cammandos are bullet proof. So were the Hunters.
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09-26-2010, 09:53 AM
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#54
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 41
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Sorry I mis-spoke - what I mean is if you buy a custom bag that is well built it should last a lifetime. I echo what Luds mentions in the above thread.
Look at the featherlite surf bags that are still around. These bags are made to last.
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