Another - you cant make this up

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Although her motivation may have been honorable to her, the law is the law and she, just like myself and everybody else in this country, needs to abide by it.

She broke it so now she must take the consequences that come with it.

I don't think anyone is arguing that she shouldn't be held accountable.

The context of the thread is RIJIMMY thinking she should be immediately dragged to the border in shackles. These aren't the consequences that typically accompany her violation.

-spence

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

These aren't the consequences that typically accompany her violation.

-spence

These are the consequences and this is what should happen to her if found guilty.

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

These are the consequences and this is what should happen to her if found guilty.

We discussed this earlier in the thread. I don't think this part of the code is applicable to her situation. The laws appear to delineate between those trying to get over the border, those who just recently crossed the border and those who have been here some time.

Sort of like meteor, meteorite and meteoroid

-spence

[justplugit]

Amazing to me how some have so much empathy for illegal immigrants
who can come here legally if they choose, and so little empathy for the ones
who wait on line to take their turn to come legally.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Amazing to me how some have so much empathy for illegal immigrants
who can come here legally if they choose, and so little empathy for the ones
who wait on line to take their turn to come legally.

I think your assumption that immigrants choose to come here illegally (while legal options are readily available) isn't really true, not at least for the bulk of unskilled workers who enter the country to perform lower skilled work. There are quotas for these categories of applicants and very few are actually approved each year. Not to mention the cost which can be quite prohibitive.

Rightly so, the process doesn't want to take just anybody. A good question might be if the quotas are aligned with the demand. I've read that they are not, but don't know for sure. I've also read that in a few decades we may actually be trying to entice low skilled workers into the USA to keep the economy moving.

-spence

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

There are quotas for these categories of applicants and very few are actually approved each year. Not to mention the cost which can be quite prohibitive.

Maybe the Quotas would be higher if there were more jobs readily available for unskilled worker....if the bulk of these jobs weren't already being performed by people who came here illegally.

Originally Posted by spence

I've also read that in a few decades we may actually be trying to entice low skilled workers into the USA to keep the economy moving.

-spence

Entice Away...if the economy dictates that we need to increase our demand for Unskilled immigrant workers then the government might actually decrease all the red tape that is needed to enter the country. Wouldn't that make it easier for people to enter legally....the illegals may be shooting themselves in the foot by bypassing the system.

[Jim in CT]

The maid entered the country illegally, which if she was trying to build a better life and was not breaking any other laws, is somehitng we can all relate to.

However, she also obtained someone else's social security number, and claimed that as her own. That's another crime.

Furthermore, this woman (the illegal) is now letting political operative sattack her former employer. The Whitmans paid her $23 an hour, which is triple the minimum wage. This is how she pays back the Whitmans, by trying to derail her campaign?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

We discussed this earlier in the thread. I don't think this part of the code is applicable to her situation. The laws appear to delineate between those trying to get over the border, those who just recently crossed the border and those who have been here some time.

Sort of like meteor, meteorite and meteoroid

-spence

Are you saying there is a statute of limitations attached to this that equals the length of time it takes you to get way with it and enter the country

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Are you saying there is a statute of limitations attached to this that equals the length of time it takes you to get way with it and enter the country

I'd venture a guess that it has more to do with the fact that if someone has been here for some time, there's likely no evidence that they violated that specific section of code. I'm not an immigration attorney, but everything I've read indicates that simply being here without a visa is a civil offense under Federal law.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I'd venture a guess that it has more to do with the fact that if someone has been here for some time, there's likely no evidence that they violated that specific section of code. I'm not an immigration attorney, but everything I've read indicates that simply being here without a visa is a civil offense under Federal law.

-spence

Not having proper documentation is some evidence that they have violated that section of the code. And it is certain evidence that some part of the code has been violated. The civil offense of being here without a visa is also subject to deportation. Even overstaying your visa faces you with removal proceedings to be deported from the U.S. If you overstay your visa for more than 180 days but less than a year you will face deportation and be inadmissible to the U.S. for three years. If you overstay it for more than a year, you will be inadmissible for 10 years. Not having a visa, a green card, or proper immigration papers is evidence of your breaking immigration law and makes you subject to deportation.

The woman Whitman fired, if the code is to be enforced, should be deported.

If it can be proved that Whitman did something illegal, she should be prosecuted. If not, it's typical oxymoronic dirty politics, and the voters should decide on the merits of the candidates' policies, not on mudslinging distractions.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If not, it's typical oxymoronic dirty politics, and the voters should decide on the merits of the candidates' policies, not on mudslinging distractions.

Yup, same old, same old politics.

If you can't win on your record snow them with

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Not having proper documentation is some evidence that they have violated that section of the code. And it is certain evidence that some part of the code has been violated. The civil offense of being here without a visa is also subject to deportation. Even overstaying your visa faces you with removal proceedings to be deported from the U.S. If you overstay your visa for more than 180 days but less than a year you will face deportation and be inadmissible to the U.S. for three years. If you overstay it for more than a year, you will be inadmissible for 10 years. Not having a visa, a green card, or proper immigration papers is evidence of your breaking immigration law and makes you subject to deportation.

I believe deportation is a likely option, but not mandatory. Don't civil offenders go before an immigration judge who ultimately decides their fate? They could be deported, told to leave or given a stay for hardship...

The woman Whitman fired, if the code is to be enforced, should be deported.

If it can be proved that Whitman did something illegal, she should be prosecuted. If not, it's typical oxymoronic dirty politics, and the voters should decide on the merits of the candidates' policies, not on mudslinging distractions.

It's certainly mudslinging, no doubt about that. Dirty and underhanded? Probably...but also high quality stuff

But it also does highlight the issue, that many while standing for stronger laws on illegal immigration also benefit from it. Another report just out alleges Lou Dobbs has the same conflict.

At least Colin Powell had the stones to just come out and say it.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

The context of the thread is RIJIMMY thinking she should be immediately dragged to the border in shackles. These aren't the consequences that typically accompany her violation.

-spence

No, I just want her arrested. But instead she is being paraded around by liberals trying to use her as a political pawn. And to top it off, as I highlighted in the initial post, latinos are now putting up 5 million for adds against Whitman! So how does that help their cause? Now wealthy people will think twice before hiring anyone of latin decent, it will BACKFIRE on them!

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

No, I just want her arrested. But instead she is being paraded around by liberals trying to use her as a political pawn.

Tis the season.

And to top it off, as I highlighted in the initial post, latinos are now putting up 5 million for adds against Whitman!

She doesn't serve their interests.

So how does that help their cause? Now wealthy people will think twice before hiring anyone of latin decent, it will BACKFIRE on them!

I doubt it, unless there's a flood of legal workers out to perform low skilled labor people will still hire who they can get regardless.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

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I doubt it, unless there's a flood of legal workers out to perform low skilled labor people will still hire who they can get regardless.

-spence[/QUOTE]

At $27 an hour, would you rather flip burgers?