Obama Care

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Piscator

I pretty much agree with you, but where do you draw the line. We now have DNA testing to see if you are predisposed to cancer. Should everyone get that at birth to see what their insurance should be?

The line is exactly where I said it should be, for people with unhealthy lifestyles - smokers, drug users, the sedentary and the obese.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

The line is exactly where I said it should be, for people with unhealthy lifestyles - smokers, drug users, the sedentary and the obese.

my grandmother is fat, drank and smoked her whole life, she is 84 and lives on her own. Her daughter, my mom, exercised daily, non-smoker, white bread wasnt allowed in my house, alfalfa sprouts were the norm, died at 65 from cancer.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

my grandmother is fat, drank and smoked her whole life, she is 84 and lives on her own. Her daughter, my mom, exercised daily, non-smoker, white bread wasnt allowed in my house, alfalfa sprouts were the norm, died at 65 from cancer.

Exceptions to the rule. So the average fat smoker is healthier than the average person that eats well and is fit?

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

The line is exactly where I said it should be, for people with unhealthy lifestyles - smokers, drug users, the sedentary and the obese.

Don't forget about active people who don't use rubbers, need to add them to the list.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Piscator

Don't forget about active people who don't use rubbers, need to add them to the list.

good point

wet feet often end up causing colds and flu

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

The line is exactly where I said it should be, for people with unhealthy lifestyles - smokers, drug users, the sedentary and the obese.

An unhealthy life style is in the eye of the beholder. Fishing the canal several nights in a row is not very healthy. How about the goverment take care of defense and infrustructure and stay the hell out of my fridge. Damn, they make a killing with "sin" taxes and some think it's great.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by buckman

Damn, they make a killing with "sin" taxes and some think it's great.

Yup, that's why gambling was legalized and soon to be weed.

[striperman36]

Funny article on NPR today about the hempheads in CA NOT wanting the legalization proposition as it would make it good for big business and taxation but bad for the small guy that grows the weed today.
Legalized Pot's Unlikely Supporters: Moms And Cops : NPR

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

An unhealthy life style is in the eye of the beholder. Fishing the canal several nights in a row is not very healthy. How about the goverment take care of defense and infrustructure and stay the hell out of my fridge. Damn, they make a killing with "sin" taxes and some think it's great.

The health benefits of being a smoker, obese, and using drugs is in the eye of the beholder?

You're absolutely nuts if you think the average person who is 100lbs overweight won't have higher health care costs over their lifetime than a person.

Exceptions do not make up the rule. Sure, I have met people that smoked for 65 years and lived into their 80s. I've met a whole lot more people that had family members smoke and died in their 50s.

There are people that eat garbage every day and will live to be 90. There are far, far more people that eat garbage and will have their first hear attack or stroke in their 50s.

More than half of Americans are overweight. Diabetes rates are going through the roof.

Why should I - a person who exercises, eats well, and rarely sick even though I work a desk job - pay the same rates as someone that is overweight or a smoker?

[Piscator]

So the same government who provides the most unhealthy school lunch program in the world will make you pay more for healthcare for being fat?

Yup, I get it now............

This government has absolutely no common sense and too many loafer citizens & non-citizens looking for a free ride. No way they can manage or should be managing a Healthcare system. The best run institutions are run privately.

Hey, like the government, I'm not perfect, but I get it right at least some of the time.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Piscator

So the same government who provides the most unhealthy school lunch program in the world will make you pay more for healthcare for being fat?

The government wouldn't want any of what I suggest. I think the insurance companies should implement surcharges.

The government provides it, but the parents allow it. If parents don't like what the schools are serving, they could take the 10 minutes at night to make lunch for their kid. The parents should be held responsible for what their kids eat. Also, the one meal a day a kid eats at school isn't going to make them fat. It's the 2 other meals, plus junk food they get at home that does.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Piscator

No way they can manage or should be managing a Healthcare system. The best run institutions are run privately.

Yup, ever been in a VA,State or County Hospital?
I wouldn't send my dog.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

The health benefits of being a smoker, obese, and using drugs is in the eye of the beholder?

You're absolutely nuts if you think the average person who is 100lbs overweight won't have higher health care costs over their lifetime than a person.

Exceptions do not make up the rule. Sure, I have met people that smoked for 65 years and lived into their 80s. I've met a whole lot more people that had family members smoke and died in their 50s.

There are people that eat garbage every day and will live to be 90. There are far, far more people that eat garbage and will have their first hear attack or stroke in their 50s.

More than half of Americans are overweight. Diabetes rates are going through the roof.

Why should I - a person who exercises, eats well, and rarely sick even though I work a desk job - pay the same rates as someone that is overweight or a smoker?

JD, haven't I seen you smoking a cigar before?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

JD, haven't I seen you smoking a cigar before?

More than once. And if I have to pay a surcharge on my insurance in order to do so, then I'd have to make a choice. If I lie about it, then get mouth or throat cancer, then the liability is on me.

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

More than once. And if I have to pay a surcharge on my insurance in order to do so, then I'd have to make a choice. If I lie about it, then get mouth or throat cancer, then the liability is on me.

What if you don't wear sunscreen?

What if you have a dangerous occupation (Cop, Fireman, Fisherman, Construction, Prostitute)?

What if you live with someone who smokes?

What if your house has Radon?

What if you touch lead sinkers?

What if you don't wear rubbers (on your feet)

My original point is where do you draw the line?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Piscator

What if you don't wear sunscreen?

What if you have a dangerous occupation (Cop, Fireman, Fisherman, Construction, Prostitute)?

What if you live with someone who smokes?

What if your house has Radon?

What if you touch lead sinkers?

What if you don't wear rubbers (on your feet)

My original point is where do you draw the line?

From reason to ridiculous.

[redlite]

Originally Posted by Piscator

What if you don't wear sunscreen?

What if you have a dangerous occupation (Cop, Fireman, Fisherman, Construction, Prostitute)?

What if you live with someone who smokes?

What if your house has Radon?

What if you touch lead sinkers?

What if you don't wear rubbers (on your feet)

My original point is where do you draw the line?

These are the types of questions that ARE asked and ARE taken into consideration in under written states, which most of the country is. The are called riders that won't be covered. Conn is pretty bad for them.
Biggest one that affects your health insurance in under written states (take physical, based on results, they decide how much it costs from person to person), motorcycle riding is a huge mark up. They run a DMV check so you can't lie.
At least here in Mass as a guaranteed issue state, we can all get it, no pre-exisiting condition worries, regardless of what it costs. The problem is in the other states that aren't where people CAN'T get insured due to such issues discussed above, no matter how much they are willing to pay. Sucks paying so much for something you may or may not ever use, but you'll thank god you have it when you do need it.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Why should I - a person who exercises, eats well, and rarely sick even though I work a desk job - pay the same rates as someone that is overweight or a smoker?

Because JD, it would be profiling, discriminatory and not PC.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

The line is exactly where I said it should be, for people with unhealthy lifestyles - smokers, drug users, the sedentary and the obese.

Any body with a sit in a chair job?