Some good fish South..

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by redlite

HOLY SH!T!!!!
No word of a lie, I think that pic might be my younger sister!!!!!
Go Girl, Go.

In Israel?

[piemma]

It is not the killing of big fish that is hurting the stocks. As Ken pointed out, they are past the prime breeding time. It is the 2, 28" fish that is killing the stocks. Day in and day out.

The 32 to 38" fish are the prime breeders. All the big fish have past the time of carrying viable eggs and in fact most of the eggs the females of that size, 40 to 50#, carry are sterile.

Let's stop this bitchin' about killing big fish. There are enough guys on this board that kill 30 to 40" fish every night that shouldn't be casting stones. Put back the mid size fish and let them become elderly. Why do you think there are not 50s caught everyday. Because some jamoke took home 2, 28" fish 10 times this year so he could be a DUDE and brag to his neighbors.

I get a a real kick out of some of the people who release 2 or 3 fish and think they are conservationist.

[WoodyCT]

Originally Posted by piemma

...All the big fish have past the time of carrying viable eggs....

I've been searching for info on this and can't find anything. Where did you learn this?

I agree that it's the constant killing of 30"-40" fish that is the issue. I have to scratch my head when I see all these guys who fish hard and frequently constantly taking fish. Just b/c the law says it's OK doesn't mean it's the most responsible thing to do.


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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by piemma

All the big fish have past the time of carrying viable eggs and in fact most of the eggs the females of that size, 40 to 50#, carry are sterile.

Can you link to literature that supports this statement? I would like to read it. Thanks


Redlite- Cute sister... and she can party

[piemma]

[QUOTE=zimmy;808665]Can you link to literature that supports this statement? I would like to read it. Thanks

Zimmy and Woody, I will try to find the article. I read it a few years ago but I also have heard theories that contradict my statement.
But it does make sense when you think about it.

What species, including humans, have females that are fertile at the end of their life cycle? None. No women 70 or 80 years old getting pregnant. No dogs, cats, elephants, lions or tigers or apes or bears nearing the end of their years are having babies.

It would make no common sense that Stripers would be the lone anomoly on this entire planet that allowed the female of the species to remain highly fertile at the end of their life.

[numbskull]

Piemma, you are wrong, and you are too smart a man and too good a fisherman to pass on such error.

Fish are not mammals.
Their fecundity increases with size/age. Here is an article on sea bass (there are similar studies on striped bass) Maturity, ovarian cycle, fecundity, and age-specific parturition of black rockfish | Fishery Bulletin | Find Articles at BNET . It only takes a moment to read the abstract and learn something.

Large bass breed at a different time of the spring than smaller bass, which increases the odds of a successful breeding year (since spawning success is in part weather dependent).

Genetic studies suggest that many good year classes are actually the result of a small number (a few hundred) fish that happened to hit it right. Wipe out a single pre-spawning school of fish and we may wipe out an entire year class.

If, like cowhunter, you want to legally kill large striped bass for whatever reason, go right ahead...it is your own business and, under current law, your right.

It is, however, long past time to drop the rationalization about large fish not being important breeders. It is a delusion people use to fool themselves that they are not hurting the fishery AND OTHER FISHERMEN when they kill these fish.

Fishing legally is not the same as fishing responsibly.

[l.i.fish.in.vt]

Genetic studies suggest that many good year classes are actually the result of a small number (a few hundred) fish that happened to hit it right. Wipe out a single pre-spawning school of fish and we may wipe out an entire year class. George, i know for a fact that this happens with clams.have seen many areas were there are a few chowders and cherries and in following years the same areas are paved with clams.though this hasn't happened very often in recent years.that statement also makes me wonder why people think that taking less fish will do anything to help the stocks.my focus would be on why aren't the fish we have aren't reproducing at a greater rate.is it because we are killing the big fish or envoirmental factors.

[WoodyCT]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Piemma, you are wrong, and you are too smart a man and too good a fisherman to pass on such error.

Fish are not mammals.
Their fecundity increases with size/age. Here is an article on sea bass (there are similar studies on striped bass) Maturity, ovarian cycle, fecundity, and age-specific parturition of black rockfish | Fishery Bulletin | Find Articles at BNET . It only takes a moment to read the abstract and learn something.

Large bass breed at a different time of the spring than smaller bass, which increases the odds of a successful breeding year (since spawning success is in part weather dependent).

Genetic studies suggest that many good year classes are actually the result of a small number (a few hundred) fish that happened to hit it right. Wipe out a single pre-spawning school of fish and we may wipe out an entire year class.

If, like cowhunter, you want to legally kill large striped bass for whatever reason, go right ahead...it is your own business and, under current law, your right.

It is, however, long past time to drop the rationalization about large fish not being important breeders. It is a delusion people use to fool themselves that they are not hurting the fishery AND OTHER FISHERMEN when they kill these fish.

Fishing legally is not the same as fishing responsibly.

Keep in mind guys that bass can live to be 30 years, which underscores the importance of the largest breeders in the population.

Fish over 40" should be off limits to everyone. If you catch one bigger, get her measurements and have a fiberglass replica made.

[zimmy]

[QUOTE=piemma;808693]

Originally Posted by zimmy

It would make no common sense that Stripers would be the lone anomoly on this entire planet that allowed the female of the species to remain highly fertile at the end of their life.

Eels and Salmon to start. Eels are beleived to breed into their 30's.

[intrepid24]

It seems weird to chastise cowhunter for keeping large fish, because many folks here are involved in the stiper cup, including myself. If any 50 lb fish was to be caught during the cup, it is most surely going to die.
Throwing stones seems slightly hypocritical, imho.
Are we any less responsible when we kill large fish for our own clubs ?

[sokinwet]

Way to go Kenny and congrat's to the young lady angler and dad!!

[WoodyCT]

Originally Posted by intrepid24

It seems weird to chastise cowhunter for keeping large fish, because many folks here are involved in the stiper cup, including myself. If any 50 lb fish was to be caught during the cup, it is most surely going to die.
Throwing stones seems slightly hypocritical, imho.
Are we any less responsible when we kill large fish for our own clubs ?

Cow Hunter is under the gun here because he makes his living off of a public resource, one that he appears to have little respect for. That and the fact that he enjoys showing off his kills.

Not everyone kills fish for their clubs or tournaments. Every year I fish multiple tourneys with my club, but I have absolutely NO intention of weighing in a big bass. If I were to catch a fish over 20lbs. it would go back. I don't kill. Period. Case in point- I had 2 new PBs over 42" in 1/2 hour last month. I spent upwards of 15 minutes reviving and releasing each one, rather than tossing them in the rocks and gunning for more.

As for the Striper Cup, I have posted my views here before, and suffice it to say, I find their insistance on running a kill only tournament to be irresponsible and self serving. In fact, I no longer subscribe to that periodical due to their stance on this issue.

[jimmy z]

There was a 51 lber caught under the GW bridge the other day in the Hudson river.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

In Israel?

that was the name of the photographer "Israel Leal" of the AP. It is redlite sister for sure

On a side note I would like to add that I didn't get in on this thread to bash the picture posters for killing large, although I did get involved in the side discussion because it is interesting and important to me.

That said, in my opinion if someone makes these posts to get people worked up, more power to em.

If guys get worked up in response, than they should get a break too. Especially since they are concerned with their favorite activity maybe getting destroyed.

One might say that the detractors should start there own thread, but if the reaction is part of why cowhunter is doing it, then what better forum is there? (I am not sure if that is why he made this post... just repeating what I read here)

As far as it's legal so don't comment... I call bs on that (I can make analogies, but they isn't necessary ). Ok... just one... it is legal to marry your cousin in WV at age 13... doesn't make it right