Some good fish South..

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by WoodyCT

Cow Hunter is under the gun here because he makes his living off of a public resource, one that he appears to have little respect for. That and the fact that he enjoys showing off his kills.

Not everyone kills fish for their clubs or tournaments. Every year I fish multiple tourneys with my club, but I have absolutely NO intention of weighing in a big bass. If I were to catch a fish over 20lbs. it would go back. I don't kill. Period. Case in point- I had 2 new PBs over 42" in 1/2 hour last month. I spent upwards of 15 minutes reviving and releasing each one, rather than tossing them in the rocks and gunning for more.

As for the Striper Cup, I have posted my views here before, and suffice it to say, I find their insistance on running a kill only tournament to be irresponsible and self serving. In fact, I no longer subscribe to that periodical due to their stance on this issue.

So, I have no respect for a public resource like striped bass because I kill a percentage every year as do MOST recreational and Commercial Anglers... People like you will never understand the fishery and thank God for that! All you know is what you read about and not what you have learned from experience. You dont need to say anymore, you fish tourneys but you dont have any intention of weighing a striped bass, (Makes Sense). Congrats on your decades of fishing to finally catch 2 42"ers (Personal Best).. You are decades away from a 30+lb fish unless they put a full moratorium in effect for the next 20 years! You dont like the striper Cup, Dont fish it, plain and simple and let those that fish it enjoy the tourney, (Im sure your view would be different if you had a shot)... You will never understand anyway. Glad your so educated on toxins in fish... Do you even know how they get the readings they do???? They take the ENTIRE fish and grind it up and test the samples... Im sure that you know where all these "Toxins" will be... Ill give you a hint, the least amount will be in the white fillet meat! Think They are grossly overstated? I know the type you are, more concerned about what everybody else is doing than what you yourself are because you know whats best for everyone. Dont judge others unless you want to be judged too... You are behind the curb a few decades...

Tight Lines Mr 12LB Drag... (Im sure it will be tight!)

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

They take the ENTIRE fish and grind it up and test the samples... Im sure that you know where all these "Toxins" will be... Ill give you a hint, the least amount will be in the white fillet meat! Think They are grossly overstated?

I think you are wrong, and just like your error about large striped bass not breeding I suspect the above is just more self-deluded rationalization. Actually it is likely worse, because it encourages people not to believe the multi-state guidelines against eating excessive contaminated striped bass.

As I understand it (and I am no expert) those guidelines are based on the average toxin levels in the FLESH of a number of fish. Keep in mind that some fish are many times above the average level. Furthermore, the average is likely (I have no proof) skewed by measuring small fish, since toxins accumulate over the life of fish and tend to be higher in larger fish. Perhaps you meant they grind up an entire FILLET...and maybe that is true....but the assumption that all the toxins are in the dark meat is careless and misleadingly dangerous unless you have an actual reference to support this assumption. If you do, please share it.

If you have children or your wife is pregnant, don't feed them striped bass.
If you like to eat it and are not pregant then feel free to enjoy 1-2 meals a month.
Takes a long time to eat a 40 lb bass at that rate. Maybe it is smarter to let it go to breed and make lots of smaller fish that are safer to eat?

[BigFish]

You guys who judge others really are a hoot! You try to espouse your beliefs on others and believe they should do as you do because you yourself think your way is the right way!! Well as far as I am concerned I only judge those who do not act within the bounds of the law!!! As long as other folks do that I have no problem with them no matter what I believe to be "Right" as I personally believe! If someone wants to take a fish or 2 fish a day......I may not agree with 2 fish a day but its the law!! If they choose to take a large (What some of you refer to as "breeders".........and eventually are not many of them breeders?) then that also is their choice under the law! So step down off your friggin' high horses and pulpits people and let others be!!! Everytime someone posts a pic of a nice fish they chose to keep some ass-hole has something negative to say about it!!! If you don't have something good to say then close your pie hole!!! Cowhunter is right....people need to pay more attention to what "THEY" do and less attention to what other folks are doing!! Police yourself, practice catch and release if thats what you choose if it works for you........stop bashing others if they choose to keep a fish as long as they do it within the law then shut your pie hole and move on!!! Geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz!

[scalywag]

Guys relax, lets save the finger pointing till aaaaafter the moratorium.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scalywag

Guys relax, lets save the finger pointing till aaaaafter the moratorium.

Ok you pillow biting pickle smootcher
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[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by numbskull

I think you are wrong, and just like your error about large striped bass not breeding I suspect the above is just more self-deluded rationalization. Actually it is likely worse, because it encourages people not to believe the multi-state guidelines against eating excessive contaminated striped bass.

As I understand it (and I am no expert) those guidelines are based on the average toxin levels in the FLESH of a number of fish. Keep in mind that some fish are many times above the average level. Furthermore, the average is likely (I have no proof) skewed by measuring small fish, since toxins accumulate over the life of fish and tend to be higher in larger fish. Perhaps you meant they grind up an entire FILLET...and maybe that is true....but the assumption that all the toxins are in the dark meat is careless and misleadingly dangerous unless you have an actual reference to support this assumption. If you do, please share it.

If you have children or your wife is pregnant, don't feed them striped bass.
If you like to eat it and are not pregant then feel free to enjoy 1-2 meals a month.
Takes a long time to eat a 40 lb bass at that rate. Maybe it is smarter to let it go to breed and make lots of smaller fish that are safer to eat?

Thats not an assumption... That is directly from a marine biologist... Maybe you can share with us how YOU think they take these samples?? Let me guess, they catch the fish, (on a plug with barbless hooks), cut a small sample,(where it doesnt hurt the fish), patch her up, and spend 15-20 min reviving the happy fish to let her go in the wild so somebody else can catch and release it!??? I never did say that 50+" NEVER Spawn...

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

Thats not an assumption... That is directly from a marine biologist... Maybe you can share with us how YOU think they take these samples??.

Go ask him again and try to listen to what he says, not to what you want to hear.

If you think they put 40lb fish in blenders to get a 1 gram flesh sample (as apparently you do!) you are indeed clueless.

What I suspect they do is cut a small flesh sample from each fish rack and send it to a lab that then grinds the sample (not the whole fish!), weighs it, then runs their analysis on it.

Anything else would require very large blenders and very large shipping costs, for no scientific reason whatsoever, and I do not believe on your authority that this happens.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Go ask him again and try to listen to what he says, not to what you want to hear.

If you think they put 40lb fish in blenders to get a 1 gram flesh sample (as apparently you do!) you are indeed clueless.

What I suspect they do is cut a small flesh sample from each fish rack and send it to a lab that then grinds the sample (not the whole fish!), weighs it, then runs their analysis on it.

Anything else would require very large blenders and very large shipping costs, for no scientific reason whatsoever, and I do not believe on your authority that this happens.

What U suspect?? I know the answer... You obviously want the answer what YOU think it should be. I pay attention to every detail. I just talked to him 3 days ago after he weighed and measured my fish for studies. They take the fish in its ENTIRETY and grind it up and then they may take a 1 gram or so sample out of it,, (I did not ask what the exact amount was), I know its not what you want to hear.... how dare they right?
You think everyone just tosses the rack of a bass? Many people, restaurants dont just fillet a fish and toss the rack in the trash. They use every bit of that fish, belly meat? Fish head soup? Smoked cheeks? People even eat the skin...Who are you kidding? You should send them a letter or maybe call them and tell them what you think should be the proper way to obtain these samples.. What parts of the fish they should pick and choose, and where these toxins, pcb's are greatest in a striped bass... Also lecture them that they dont have big enough blenders???

You are SOOOO WRONG

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

What U suspect?? I know the answer... You obviously want the answer what YOU think it should be. .........blah, blah, blah

You are WRONG

Perhaps, wouldn't surprise me in the least, I often am. I can check easy enough and will let you know.

But you, my loud friend, are also are wrong. Large fish are an important part of the breeding population and striped bass carry toxins that are dangerous to eat (as to what part of the fish is clean you have provided no information, just self-serving conjecture).

So, can YOU admit you are wrong as well?

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Perhaps, wouldn't surprise me in the least, I often am. I can check easy enough and will let you know.

But you, my loud friend, are also are wrong. Large fish are an important part of the breeding population and striped bass carry toxins that are dangerous to eat (as to what part of the fish is clean you have provided no information, just self-serving conjecture).

So, can YOU admit you are wrong as well?

I am not a scientist, marine biologist... This is what I was told, this is the process and the best way to get an overall reading. I know youd like to, but you cant go and tell people what parts of the fish, if any they should eat. I am sure they also singled out different parts of the fish to see where the highest levels are that why he said the majority of it is in the head, fat, blood lines of the fish... I trim my fillets and eat the white meat only...

Agian, I NEVER SAID large fish arent an important part of the breeding population... Just like in any animal they have a life span and will eventually die... They are not the PRIME breeders of the species and do not spawn every single year once they reach a certain age...

You know drinking out of plastic bottles may cause cancer too?? Why eat or drink anything? You eat Organic Foods Only???


Wrong? All I did was post a picture and you guys jumped all over me.... You think that gives me more of an incentive to release these fish?