Some good fish South..

[BigFish]

You guys who judge others really are a hoot! You try to espouse your beliefs on others and believe they should do as you do because you yourself think your way is the right way!! Well as far as I am concerned I only judge those who do not act within the bounds of the law!!! As long as other folks do that I have no problem with them no matter what I believe to be "Right" as I personally believe! If someone wants to take a fish or 2 fish a day......I may not agree with 2 fish a day but its the law!! If they choose to take a large (What some of you refer to as "breeders".........and eventually are not many of them breeders?) then that also is their choice under the law! So step down off your friggin' high horses and pulpits people and let others be!!! Everytime someone posts a pic of a nice fish they chose to keep some ass-hole has something negative to say about it!!! If you don't have something good to say then close your pie hole!!! Cowhunter is right....people need to pay more attention to what "THEY" do and less attention to what other folks are doing!! Police yourself, practice catch and release if thats what you choose if it works for you........stop bashing others if they choose to keep a fish as long as they do it within the law then shut your pie hole and move on!!! Geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz!

[WoodyCT]

Originally Posted by BigFish

You asked and many would like a pin to mark a personal accomplishment.....might not mean that much to you Woody but it does to others.....and if they can do that and release the fish whats wrong with that??

I didn't say anything is wrong with it Larry. I just don't see how the SC can be considered a C&R contest if the C&R entries are not elilgible for prizes. Pins are nice, but they aren't really contest prizes. If one wants a shot at the goodies they have no choice but to kill fish.

Couldn't they do a prize raffle for the C&R folks? If you submit an entry for a C&R then your name goes into a raffle for a decent prize. I think more folks would release if they could still have a shot at the truck or boat. No?

Sorry if I disrespected you, as one of those guys implies, by not giving a gushy thank you for the info.. I appreciate it.

[angler229]

[QUOTE=WoodyCT;809483]
Couldn't they do a prize raffle for the C&R folks? If you submit an entry for a C&R then your name goes into a raffle for a decent prize. I think more folks would release if they could still have a shot at the truck or boat. No?
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Everyone who signs up and shows up at striperfest has a shot at a boat whether or not they even weigh a fish in.

[WoodyCT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

How can anybody fish for decades and have a PB of 42"?
I hope you teach better than you learn.
Teachers must do well to fish with ZB's.
Larry tried to explain it was not a kill only tournament and provided information stating such at your request.You seemed unimpressed by his efforts, yet still admit you fish tournaments with your club.Are these tournaments strictly C&R?If not,how does your conscience justify participation?How do you justify fishing eels when they are in a state of decline?
Keep in mind I am not criticizing any angler who is conservation minded unless they are hypocrites.I will also add that picking a scab on the internet will never accomplish anything besides a well worn debate.This passion you have for bass would serve them better at a regional level.Thank You.

Not a hardcore angler SD. I've been fising my whole life, but not as a psycho. Just an enthusiast. About 3 years ago I got into surf casting for bass. Sorry if my PB doesn't match someone else's, but it's still my best, and I'm not ashamed of that. Oh, it was a 45" fish I took that same morning as the 42" you guys have glommed onto. And the tourneys I have fished are just club tourneys like the MS challenge. I do it to support a good cause, and for the social aspects of it, not to kill fish and be a cool guy. And as I said, it is on rare, very rare, occasions that I fish eels. Why? Because I dont' fish to catch, I fish for the satisfaction of being out there in the surf. Catching is a bonus.

As for my profession and the reel I fish, that's silly. I work hard and do extra to buy the things I enjoy.

[RIJIMMY]

I could sure use a good spot burn thread about now......

[BigFish]

Originally Posted by WoodyCT

I didn't say anything is wrong with it Larry. I just don't see how the SC can be considered a C&R contest if the C&R entries are not elilgible for prizes. Pins are nice, but they aren't really contest prizes. If one wants a shot at the goodies they have no choice but to kill fish.

Couldn't they do a prize raffle for the C&R folks? If you submit an entry for a C&R then your name goes into a raffle for a decent prize. I think more folks would release if they could still have a shot at the truck or boat. No?

Sorry if I disrespected you, as one of those guys implies, by not giving a gushy thank you for the info.. I appreciate it.

No disrespect John at all.......I also think that is a great idea you have and if you contact OTW and present it to them I bet they will agree! Its worth a shot and if it helps save more fish I am for that!

[Striper_Haven_03]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I could sure use a good spot burn thread about now......

Who is going to vote for Sarah in '12?

[Sea Dangles]

Enjoy fishing Woody,it is a great way to recreate outdoors. It is obvious you do it on your own terms and enjoy as well as respect the resource.That is as much your right as it is Kenny's to do it on his terms.The bashing gets tedious to some just as Kenny posting corpses of cows does.Although some folks may think too much is never enough when it comes to self-promotion as Jim Sylvester points out,but I can't help but think threads like these would be detrimental to a business. Ken has won numerous ASA tournaments not to mention being featured on television and publications for all to see his prowess in catching large.There should be enough information to fill plenty of web space or promotional fliers.The insatiable void is his ego.

[WoodyCT]

You guys are right. I get carried away on my high horse at times.

I should leave the guys alone who obey the law, even if they may not be acting as responsibly as I would like.


At least we got some good news about the commercial quota NOT being raised!
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[wader-dad]

Hopefully something we all can agree on is trying to stop illegal striped bass fishing in the EEZ Zone.,

Ken posted last winter of boats running into the EEZ zone down south with impunity--no enforcement by the Coast Guard or anyone else. Illegal is Illegal. Continued fishing by hundreds of boats in the winter in the EEZ will do much more to beat down stocks than taking a rare 50.

By the way- Woody is the nicest guy you could ever meet, is a beloved member of our Club and whatever he says is based on his love for striped bass and his fairly recent getting into surfcasting. Rob

[scalywag]

Guys relax, lets save the finger pointing till aaaaafter the moratorium.

[UserRemoved1]

WOODY FOR PRESIDENT



LI was on fire yesterday

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scalywag

Guys relax, lets save the finger pointing till aaaaafter the moratorium.

Ok you pillow biting pickle smootcher
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[jimmy z]

There was a 51 lber caught under the GW bridge the other day in the Hudson river.

[inTHERAPY]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I could sure use a good spot burn thread about now......

absolutely killing the tog around R32 south of the pigs. obviously not this week!

[ProfessorM]

I think Mr. Cowhunter does some of his best fishing right here on this site. He obviously has the correct bait. Come on spring.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

In Israel?

that was the name of the photographer "Israel Leal" of the AP. It is redlite sister for sure

On a side note I would like to add that I didn't get in on this thread to bash the picture posters for killing large, although I did get involved in the side discussion because it is interesting and important to me.

That said, in my opinion if someone makes these posts to get people worked up, more power to em.

If guys get worked up in response, than they should get a break too. Especially since they are concerned with their favorite activity maybe getting destroyed.

One might say that the detractors should start there own thread, but if the reaction is part of why cowhunter is doing it, then what better forum is there? (I am not sure if that is why he made this post... just repeating what I read here)

As far as it's legal so don't comment... I call bs on that (I can make analogies, but they isn't necessary ). Ok... just one... it is legal to marry your cousin in WV at age 13... doesn't make it right

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by numbskull

I think you are wrong, and just like your error about large striped bass not breeding I suspect the above is just more self-deluded rationalization. Actually it is likely worse, because it encourages people not to believe the multi-state guidelines against eating excessive contaminated striped bass.

As I understand it (and I am no expert) those guidelines are based on the average toxin levels in the FLESH of a number of fish. Keep in mind that some fish are many times above the average level. Furthermore, the average is likely (I have no proof) skewed by measuring small fish, since toxins accumulate over the life of fish and tend to be higher in larger fish. Perhaps you meant they grind up an entire FILLET...and maybe that is true....but the assumption that all the toxins are in the dark meat is careless and misleadingly dangerous unless you have an actual reference to support this assumption. If you do, please share it.

If you have children or your wife is pregnant, don't feed them striped bass.
If you like to eat it and are not pregant then feel free to enjoy 1-2 meals a month.
Takes a long time to eat a 40 lb bass at that rate. Maybe it is smarter to let it go to breed and make lots of smaller fish that are safer to eat?

Thats not an assumption... That is directly from a marine biologist... Maybe you can share with us how YOU think they take these samples?? Let me guess, they catch the fish, (on a plug with barbless hooks), cut a small sample,(where it doesnt hurt the fish), patch her up, and spend 15-20 min reviving the happy fish to let her go in the wild so somebody else can catch and release it!??? I never did say that 50+" NEVER Spawn...

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Striper_Haven_03

Who is going to vote for Sarah in '12?

my eyes

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Enjoy fishing Woody,it is a great way to recreate outdoors. It is obvious you do it on your own terms and enjoy as well as respect the resource.That is as much your right as it is Kenny's to do it on his terms.The bashing gets tedious to some just as Kenny posting corpses of cows does.Although some folks may think too much is never enough when it comes to self-promotion as Jim Sylvester points out,but I can't help but think threads like these would be detrimental to a business. Ken has won numerous ASA tournaments not to mention being featured on television and publications for all to see his prowess in catching large.There should be enough information to fill plenty of web space or promotional fliers.The insatiable void is his ego.

Wow you seem to know so much about me?? Funny you dont preach that crap to your buddies that kill 50's because they keep killing, and they fish tourney's as do You, and they write articles, and they have done tv shows, and so on... If you caught a 50 you would be the FIRST one snapping pictures and running to the scales with it, how proud were you of the 40.25 you weighed in for the cup last year???You had a boat this year... 50's should have been jumping all in it!!! Had a bad season I take it? Expenses high? Dont even know ur backyard...Not easy when the fish arent stacked and you have to put some EFFORT in it... Your buddies catch a 50 and we all hear about it within hours so stop kidding yourself. Ive seen how you attacked other fishermen / surfcasters on here in the past, its what you do. Thanks for the lesson in business. I guess Business is really bad for me, all I get is meathunters and cowkillers calling, where are the C&R guys? Im so damn tired of filleting. Should of never sold the small boat! Enjoy the winter behind the computer! I need to find a bigger cooler damn it!

[WoodyCT]

Sorry for getting all up your grill. Like I said, I get all crazy and judgemental at times.

If you wouldn't mind keeping us in the loop, there's a lot of us who would again like to know what's going on with the winter fishery off of VA and NC.

Be safe,
Jon

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

Thats not an assumption... That is directly from a marine biologist... Maybe you can share with us how YOU think they take these samples??.

Go ask him again and try to listen to what he says, not to what you want to hear.

If you think they put 40lb fish in blenders to get a 1 gram flesh sample (as apparently you do!) you are indeed clueless.

What I suspect they do is cut a small flesh sample from each fish rack and send it to a lab that then grinds the sample (not the whole fish!), weighs it, then runs their analysis on it.

Anything else would require very large blenders and very large shipping costs, for no scientific reason whatsoever, and I do not believe on your authority that this happens.

[bart]

I think there is a very distinct difference between fishing legally and fishing responsibly. So what if you're following the law, that doesn't necessarily make what you're doing right. Cowhunter is obviously very proficient at catching large. I think with that comes more responsibility. Pounding away at big fish throughout the whole year can't be good for the fishery. It's just common sense. If you keep removing big fish from the ocean, eventually there won't be any big fish to remove. How many people have been saying that the past few years are showing the same trends as the years leading up to the last crash? These warning signs seem to fall on deaf ears though. The type of mentality that exists up here would never fly down south, say in Florida and look at how their fishery is flourishing...

And BigFish, who are you to call people ass holes and tell them to get off their high horses? You're one of the most opinionated people on here and are constantly bitching and ranting about something. Honestly i'm surprised you don't take more of the conservationist approach seeing as how you couldn't seem to buy a fish over thirty inches this fall...

[BigFish]

I was just doing my part for conservation this fall Bart! But seriously its good to hear from my fans!

I stand behind my comments Bart......am I opinionated? Sure am but who on here isn't? At least I have respect for other peoples opinions and other peoples rights to fish as they like as long as its legal and I don't sit on here bashing people for it as others do! Don't ever worry about my fishing Bart......I may go through slumps on occasion.....but I always get mine! Hey......have your people call my people.....lets do lunch!

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Go ask him again and try to listen to what he says, not to what you want to hear.

If you think they put 40lb fish in blenders to get a 1 gram flesh sample (as apparently you do!) you are indeed clueless.

What I suspect they do is cut a small flesh sample from each fish rack and send it to a lab that then grinds the sample (not the whole fish!), weighs it, then runs their analysis on it.

Anything else would require very large blenders and very large shipping costs, for no scientific reason whatsoever, and I do not believe on your authority that this happens.

What U suspect?? I know the answer... You obviously want the answer what YOU think it should be. I pay attention to every detail. I just talked to him 3 days ago after he weighed and measured my fish for studies. They take the fish in its ENTIRETY and grind it up and then they may take a 1 gram or so sample out of it,, (I did not ask what the exact amount was), I know its not what you want to hear.... how dare they right?
You think everyone just tosses the rack of a bass? Many people, restaurants dont just fillet a fish and toss the rack in the trash. They use every bit of that fish, belly meat? Fish head soup? Smoked cheeks? People even eat the skin...Who are you kidding? You should send them a letter or maybe call them and tell them what you think should be the proper way to obtain these samples.. What parts of the fish they should pick and choose, and where these toxins, pcb's are greatest in a striped bass... Also lecture them that they dont have big enough blenders???

You are SOOOO WRONG

[bart]

Originally Posted by BigFish

I was just doing my part for conservation this fall Bart! But seriously its good to hear from my fans!

I stand behind my comments Bart......am I opinionated? Sure am but who on here isn't? At least I have respect for other peoples opinions and other peoples rights to fish as they like as long as its legal and I don't sit on here bashing people for it as others do! Don't ever worry about my fishing Bart......I may go through slumps on occasion.....but I always get mine! Hey......have your people call my people.....lets do lunch!

i'm more of a dinner and drinks type of guy

[BigFish]

Too funny Bart!

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

What U suspect?? I know the answer... You obviously want the answer what YOU think it should be. .........blah, blah, blah

You are WRONG

Perhaps, wouldn't surprise me in the least, I often am. I can check easy enough and will let you know.

But you, my loud friend, are also are wrong. Large fish are an important part of the breeding population and striped bass carry toxins that are dangerous to eat (as to what part of the fish is clean you have provided no information, just self-serving conjecture).

So, can YOU admit you are wrong as well?

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Perhaps, wouldn't surprise me in the least, I often am. I can check easy enough and will let you know.

But you, my loud friend, are also are wrong. Large fish are an important part of the breeding population and striped bass carry toxins that are dangerous to eat (as to what part of the fish is clean you have provided no information, just self-serving conjecture).

So, can YOU admit you are wrong as well?

I am not a scientist, marine biologist... This is what I was told, this is the process and the best way to get an overall reading. I know youd like to, but you cant go and tell people what parts of the fish, if any they should eat. I am sure they also singled out different parts of the fish to see where the highest levels are that why he said the majority of it is in the head, fat, blood lines of the fish... I trim my fillets and eat the white meat only...

Agian, I NEVER SAID large fish arent an important part of the breeding population... Just like in any animal they have a life span and will eventually die... They are not the PRIME breeders of the species and do not spawn every single year once they reach a certain age...

You know drinking out of plastic bottles may cause cancer too?? Why eat or drink anything? You eat Organic Foods Only???


Wrong? All I did was post a picture and you guys jumped all over me.... You think that gives me more of an incentive to release these fish?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by WoodyCT

Sorry for getting all up your grill. Like I said, I get all crazy and judgemental at times.

If you wouldn't mind keeping us in the loop, there's a lot of us who would again like to know what's going on with the winter fishery off of VA and NC.

Be safe,
Jon

I wouldn't apologize. He just comes here to get a pat on the back, stir the pot and talk about how the number of stripers killed should be reduced while posting pictures of stripers he killed.