This is Definitely Going on my Winter Reading List

[Rockfish9]

Pink hats will rule the universe....

[MAKAI]

Women have always controlled men.
They are so good at it we don't even realize it.
And when we do, we still can't do anything about it.
They are the Patriots, we are the Jets.

It is what it is.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by MAKAI

Women have always controlled men.
They are so good at it we don't even realize it.
And when we do, we still can't do anything about it.
They are the Patriots, we are the Jets.

It is what it is.

I don't think that’s where he is going w/ this....when I say Mom-ification (or Wussification) its more the "He can't do that he might hurt himself or get his feelings hurt" syndrome.

I get that look all the time from Moms when you want to take their "Babies" on a Winter Campout "Its going to be cold this weekend you might want to cancel the trip" or on the Ice to fish "The Ice might be to thin"...or Take them to the Rifle Rzange to shoot "Shooting Guns Oh My".....or to the rock walls to climb "That's Awfully High...are you sure its safe"....hell I've gotten crap from a mom for trying to feed their kid food that was past the Sell by Date "You can't give him that it will make him sick"....jesus Lady.....its a dry cake mix to cook...

Heck, I used to head out the door in the morning....if I was hungry I'd come home to eat....other than that I was out there doing my thing....Now we have "Play Dates" and Van pools, oranges at 1/2 time for soccer and god forbid the kid goes more than 2 hours w/out a bottled water and a snack

How often did your parents take you to a friends house to play.....I either hopped on my bike or walked.

Its gotten so bad now that you can't make him tryout for a team because you might hurt is feelings...and forget about a teacher actually using a red marker to score a test.

And before anybody starts throwing Political Affiliation around.....that has nothing to do w/ this...I've seen it from "both sides of the aisle" Mom-ification knows no Political Affiliation.

Rant Over

[MAKAI]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I don't think that’s where he is going w/ this....when I say Mom-ification (or Wussification) its more the "He can't do that he might hurt himself or get his feelings hurt" syndrome.

I get that look all the time from Moms when you want to take their "Babies" on a Winter Campout "Its going to be cold this weekend you might want to cancel the trip" or on the Ice to fish "The Ice might be to thin"...or Take them to the Rifle Rzange to shoot "Shooting Guns Oh My".....or to the rock walls to climb "That's Awfully High...are you sure its safe"....hell I've gotten crap from a mom for trying to feed their kid food that was past the Sell by Date "You can't give him that it will make him sick"....jesus Lady.....its a dry cake mix to cook...

Heck, I used to head out the door in the morning....if I was hungry I'd come home to eat....other than that I was out there doing my thing....Now we have "Play Dates" and Van pools, oranges at 1/2 time for soccer and god forbid the kid goes more than 2 hours w/out a bottled water and a snack

How often did your parents take you to a friends house to play.....I either hopped on my bike or walked.

Its gotten so bad now that you can't make him tryout for a team because you might hurt is feelings...and forget about a teacher actually using a red marker to score a test.

And before anybody starts throwing Political Affiliation around.....that has nothing to do w/ this...I've seen it from "both sides of the aisle" Mom-ification knows no Political Affiliation.

Rant Over

OOPS !
I'll save that one for another time.

I know a couple who bring in their 5 yr old son from playing in the yard to wash the grass stains off his knees.
Poor kid will be dancing in the nutcracker soon.

We say to ourselves at work and play " If you ain't bleeding , you ain't trying "

[PRBuzz]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Rant Over

No keep going! You are sooooooooo right!

What ever happened to "when the going gets tough, the tough get going"? Now the saying is "when the going gets tough, call MOMMY" and even worse "if you think it might get tough, have MOMMY (or DADDY) call and get you excused from doing it"

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I don't think that’s where he is going w/ this....when I say Mom-ification (or Wussification) its more the "He can't do that he might hurt himself or get his feelings hurt" syndrome.

I get that look all the time from Moms when you want to take their "Babies" on a Winter Campout "Its going to be cold this weekend you might want to cancel the trip" or on the Ice to fish "The Ice might be to thin"...or Take them to the Rifle Rzange to shoot "Shooting Guns Oh My".....or to the rock walls to climb "That's Awfully High...are you sure its safe"....hell I've gotten crap from a mom for trying to feed their kid food that was past the Sell by Date "You can't give him that it will make him sick"....jesus Lady.....its a dry cake mix to cook...

Heck, I used to head out the door in the morning....if I was hungry I'd come home to eat....other than that I was out there doing my thing....Now we have "Play Dates" and Van pools, oranges at 1/2 time for soccer and god forbid the kid goes more than 2 hours w/out a bottled water and a snack

How often did your parents take you to a friends house to play.....I either hopped on my bike or walked.

Its gotten so bad now that you can't make him tryout for a team because you might hurt is feelings...and forget about a teacher actually using a red marker to score a test.

And before anybody starts throwing Political Affiliation around.....that has nothing to do w/ this...I've seen it from "both sides of the aisle" Mom-ification knows no Political Affiliation.

Rant Over

Abso-Freikin-Lootely

[Sea Dangles]

I still remember a childhood birthday party from about 35 years ago where my Dad thought it was a good idea to break out the Lawn Darts!!!!Back then those things looked like a weapon,after an early flesh wound they were put away.Seatbelts were for infants only and a Crescent Ridge ice cream was a quarter.All the Dads at Little League games pounded beers and if you needed a dog put down,the cops would gladly bust out the sidearm.Some things have changed for the better.

[Circlehook]

Kids these days have to go to counseling for fistfights. I remember a kid stealing my lunch in 6th grade, and I punched him. He gave it back.
Today the kids are expected to go to the office and fill out a mediation form.

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Circlehook

Kids these days have to go to counseling for fistfights. I remember a kid stealing my lunch in 6th grade, and I punched him. He gave it back.
Today the kids are expected to go to the office and fill out a mediation form.

back in the day, elementary in the 60's ~ 70's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

who remembers, "Meet me at the flagpole at 3 OH CLOCK!!"

you went toe to toe, bloodied sum chumps lip, or dotted his eye, or you took a beating, and it was over! the next day, you were best buds or at the very least allies. My Dad always told me, "Don't start the fight, Jess, but you make damn sure you FINISH it!" Momma alwasy said, "It takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight than it does to start one."

these days,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if a kid loses a fight, then he's back the next day with a posse and weapons ready to take his classmates LIFE! what's up with the score of adults that have gone postal over the years and walk into a place of business to open fire?

i partially blame first person shooter games and their desensitization of murder, the promotion of gang mentality in them and on network TV, and the positive reinforcement of attaining levels of advancement, increased stature, and points for killing, PEOPLE!! dinosaurs, aliens, zombies, etc notsomuch; yet, when so little value is given to humanity, and a me first culture exists, and the revenge at all costs mentality is how one wins and the way one deals with adversity starts to permeate the cerebrum~~~ it's no wonder, to me, that we've seen such total disregard for one another, at least on some levels, and perhaps more than we'll ever know. i understand that some peeps are just wired WRONGLY. it just seems too prevalent to be just THAT~ "insane in the membrane".

sorry for the tangents. in my mind, it ALL relates!!??

[BassDawg]

if i'm hearing you right, Kevin, is this book about the
emasculation of men(generally) and of fathers(specifically).

i think that it goes even deeper~~~

not only are we "looked" at for doing what we are DNA designed/testoserone driven to do~ hunt and gather ~our sons are being discouraged from listening to that very same voice!!

just look at how idiotically portrayed husbands and fathers are on TV. from Nickelodeon to BET we are given scripts that make us liars, adulterers, bumbling boobs, and removed from the parenting picture(if not entirely absent) as counselor, athourity figure, model of masculinity, and as head of household. it sickens me to think about the multilayered attack on the family unit as we once knew it that is being waged, it seems, at every outlet of the current and constant streams of media.

then, look no further than the celebration of mediocrity within our churches, schools, musical programs, sports and recreation for our kids, and our "fill-in-the-blank" community founded social groups and you will see an echo of the sounds of unreason. let's not have high standards, because NOT everyone can reach them! EXCUSE ME, but isn't that the point and the reason why they are at the top? within this line of illogic we might as well never have ANY losing, change the names from hunting to killing/fishing to catching, and have our pink towels at the ready everytime Little Johnny gets his mind, body, or spirit bruised or beaten by someone who is better than he is at anything!!! let's not learn how to lose or to be wrong, which builds charachter traits like humility, patience, and intestinal fortitude; no, no, NOHHHHHH,,,,,,,,,let's model to our future leaders of the world that we are ALL winners, everyone is RIGHT, and(from my favorite ad, lately), "let's chug on over to Mamby Pamby Land and have ourselves a good cry, you JACKWAGON!!" i'm not saying that i don't cry, i am saying that it's never about~~
"Woe is me,,,,,,,,,,,,why me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i am such a victim!!"

some of my GREATEST victories in life have come upon the heels of my most resounding defeats!! WHY? because i didn't give up, because i didn't want to settle for anything less than the best, and because i knew that if i worked at it hard enough,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i COULD achieve a level of greatness that was something apart from who, when, and where i was at the time of my loss.

for me, it is in ALL WAYS more about the process and the progression, the lessons inside THE lesson are better learned within the journey and the direction, and that ultimately~ by making the appropiate/inappropiate sacrifices of time, effort, and will~ i have earned the right to the hoist the vaunted trophy, garnered important life lessons, achieved a higher standard, and have become more keenly aware of who i am along the way, so that i may be a BETTER son, husband, or father!!

we have become a Fatherless Nation and not in deeds alone. most certainly, it has been by the blatant ignorance of His Spirit, by the refusal to cling to His Word, and by the contrived and unrelenting agendas of those who would embrace a world without sovereignty and promote Life without utter and intangible consequences.

oh, YES, the pink hats are coming,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,question is, will we let them dismantle our thrones and wear Our crowns about the castle, or shall we fight to restore our "Kingdoms on Earth, as it is in Heaven"?!!?

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

if i'm hearing you right, Kevin, is this book about the
emasculation of men(generally) and of fathers(specifically).

i think that it goes even deeper~~~

not only are we "looked" at for doing what we are DNA designed/testoserone driven to do~ hunt and gather ~our sons are being discouraged from listening to that very same voice!!

just look at how idiotically portrayed husbands and fathers are on TV. from Nickelodeon to BET we are given scripts that make us liars, adulterers, bumbling boobs, and removed from the parenting picture(if not entirely absent) as counselor, athourity figure, model of masculinity, and as head of household. it sickens me to think about the multilayered attack on the family unit as we once knew it that is being waged, it seems, at every outlet of the current and constant streams of media.

then, look no further than the celebration of mediocrity within our churches, schools, musical programs, sports and recreation for our kids, and our "fill-in-the-blank" community founded social groups and you will see an echo of the sounds of unreason. let's not have high standards, because NOT everyone can reach them! EXCUSE ME, but isn't that the point and the reason why they are at the top? within this line of illogic we might as well never have ANY losing, change the names from hunting to killing/fishing to catching, and have our pink towels at the ready everytime Little Johnny gets his mind, body, or spirit bruised or beaten by someone who is better than he is at anything!!! let's not learn how to lose or to be wrong, which builds charachter traits like humility, patience, and intestinal fortitude; no, no, NOHHHHHH,,,,,,,,,let's model to our future leaders of the world that we are ALL winners, everyone is RIGHT, and(from my favorite ad, lately), "let's chug on over to Mamby Pamby Land and have ourselves a good cry, you JACKWAGON!!" i'm not saying that i don't cry, i am saying that it's never about~~
"Woe is me,,,,,,,,,,,,why me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i am such a victim!!"

some of my GREATEST victories in life have come upon the heels of my most resounding defeats!! WHY? because i didn't give up, because i didn't want to settle for anything less than the best, and because i knew that if i worked at it hard enough,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i COULD achieve a level of greatness that was something apart from who, when, and where i was at the time of my loss.

for me, it is in ALL WAYS more about the process and the progression, the lessons inside THE lesson are better learned within the journey and the direction, and that ultimately~ by making the appropiate/inappropiate sacrifices of time, effort, and will~ i have earned the right to the hoist the vaunted trophy, garnered important life lessons, achieved a higher standard, and have become more keenly aware of who i am along the way, so that i may be a BETTER son, husband, or father!!

we have become a Fatherless Nation and not in deeds alone. most certainly, it has been by the blatant ignorance of His Spirit, by the refusal to cling to His Word, and by the contrived and unrelenting agendas of those who would embrace a world without sovereignty and promote Life without utter and intangible consequences.

oh, YES, the pink hats are coming,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,question is, will we let them dismantle our thrones and wear Our crowns about the castle, or shall we fight to restore our "Kingdoms on Earth, as it is in Heaven"?!!?

wow dawg, this the first post you've made that made sense to me and I agree with (except for the religoisy stuff, but Im ok with it)! Especially the part about Dads as bumbling fools on tv.
All is not lost though, there are plenty sign of hope - its us. We've got to keep this alive. I've reccomended this book before - Strong Fathers, Strong Daughters. Written by a woman family councelor and detail all the benefits that being a true man bring to your daughters. its important stuff.