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Old 01-18-2011, 04:45 PM   #1
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You post the stats that say that the retirement benefits alone are underfunded by $8,333 per person.

I ask if that doesn't suggest that the current benefits are too rich.

For responses, I get...

"why didn't you go into teaching"

"what do you care what someone else gets"

"seems like you're just jealous" (which I guess I am)

I just want someone to tell me why it's not unfair and reckless...
You forgot two questions...
How many town meetings have you gone to to get answers to why there is a 4% increase this year?
And I'm still waiting to hear what the 4% increase was for and by how many students there are this year compared to last year?

Just out of curiosity, does your company give you a cost of living pay increase every year? Most do.

And your story, while cute, leaves alot open.
How long did they save for the boat?
Do you know exactly how much were paid per year?
Do you know if any family members died and left them some money?
Do they play the market?
Does one of them have a trust fund?

Judging others by material posessions is very shallow of you.

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Old 01-18-2011, 04:56 PM   #2
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Just out of curiosity, does your company give you a cost of living pay increase every year? Most do

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Most do? Really. I guess you have not heard of the great economic downturn that taken place the last few years? Have you seen the unemplyment rates? Seen the decline in personal incomes?
Most companies are slashing expenses, many have stopped 401k match, stopped bonuses. Towns should too, do you get it now?

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Old 01-18-2011, 05:33 PM   #3
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Most do? Really. I guess you have not heard of the great economic downturn that taken place the last few years? Have you seen the unemplyment rates? Seen the decline in personal incomes?
Pssst, there are companies that are excelling right now! I know, crazytalk. But its happening.

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Most companies are slashing expenses, many have stopped 401k match, stopped bonuses. Towns should too, do you get it now?
Most?
Have any evidence to back this up? Or is it just speculation based on media hoodoo?

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Old 01-18-2011, 05:39 PM   #4
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You forgot two questions...
And your story, while cute, leaves alot open.
How long did they save for the boat?
Do you know exactly how much were paid per year?
Do you know if any family members died and left them some money?
Do they play the market?
Does one of them have a trust fund?

Judging others by material posessions is very shallow of you.
in your little story about joebob you didn't provide many specifics about his particular situation and you didn't seem to think twice about kicking the crap out of him and calling him a hypocrit

"Why hasn't joe bob looked for a better job?
Why hasn't joe bob bettered himself (whether it be via schooling or some other means) in that 6 years to either get paid more or find a better job
Maybe he should stop complaining, stand up, and do something for himself for once instead of complaining about others?

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yikes...maybe joebob has no legs, no trust fund, no inheritance, no windfall from the lottery or stock market, likes what he's doing and just wants to work hard and be left alone?

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Old 01-18-2011, 05:59 PM   #5
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yikes...maybe joebob has no legs, no trust fund, no inheritance, no windfall from the lottery or stock market, likes what he's doing and just wants to work hard and be left alone?
hey he wanted to go with the general story of the guy making 50k getting priced out of his neighborhood.

I also have to ask Jim in CT, why would someone tell their son that story? That someone else gets more than he does to their son? Do you hate your neighbor that much? Are you that jealous?

Why couldn't you teach a life lesson? That they work hard and saved up for the boat instead of teaching a distrust of teachers due to what they have. That they get a pension and they're "special".

Sure you could say its a lesson, but certainly not a positive one.

But hey, you wanna raise your kids that way, thats your right.

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Old 01-18-2011, 08:33 PM   #6
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That they work hard and saved up for the boat.
Wrong again. If I want to teach my kid about the rewards of hard work, the very last place on earth I'll point to is a teachers union. Here's why. In a teacher's union, every teacher with the same experience, from the best teacher to the worst teacher, is paid exactly the same. There is ZERO financial incentive to excel. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Bupkus.

That philosophy worked great in the USSR, Cuba, and the auto unions...it gusrantees complacency and mediocrity.

In the private sector, hard working talented employees get rewarded. People who just show up and coast, get left behind.

In a teachers union,the worst teacher and the best teacher get paid identically. If someone here wants to explain the logic behind that, I'm all ears...
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You forgot two questions...
How many town meetings have you gone to to get answers to why there is a 4% increase this year?
And I'm still waiting to hear what the 4% increase was for and by how many students there are this year compared to last year?

Just out of curiosity, does your company give you a cost of living pay increase every year? Most do.

And your story, while cute, leaves alot open.
How long did they save for the boat?
Do you know exactly how much were paid per year?
Do you know if any family members died and left them some money?
Do they play the market?
Does one of them have a trust fund?

Judging others by material posessions is very shallow of you.
Can't you please answer my question that started this thread? I keep answering all your questions, you keep avoiding all of mine...

Is that unfair of me? I answer all your questions, and I'm asking you to answer one of mine. Too much to ask?

Likwid, I'm very comfortable. That doesn't mean that what public unionized employees are doing is right. Most folks aren't as lucky as me.
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Judging others by material posessions is very shallow of you.
Dodging my simple question is very cowardly of you.
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Dodging my simple question is very cowardly of you.
Very classy!

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Very classy!
Again, you insult me instead of simply answering the question...
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Again, you insult me instead of simply answering the question...
"You're clueless, you just don't get it."
"very cowardly"

Uh huh.

Right.

I feel sorry for you.
I really do.

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[QUOTE=likwid;828806Uh huh.

Right.

I feel sorry for you.
I really do.[/QUOTE]

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but if you want to talk about federal workers...maybe we should just change the name from "public servants" to 'highly paid/compensated government professionals"
....similar situation...maybe the answer is even more tax money funding more studies creating more wealth to help pay for these highly paid government workers and their luxurious benefits as they accomplish what could never be accomplished in the private sector?


Federal workers earning double their private counterparts
Updated 8/13/2010 10:53 AM

By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY

At a time when workers' pay and benefits have stagnated, federal employees' average compensation has grown to more than double what private sector workers earn, a USA TODAY analysis finds.
Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade.

Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data are the latest available.

The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000 to $61,998 last year.

•Benefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth $41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government's contribution to pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569.

•Pay. The average federal salary has grown 33% faster than inflation since 2000. USA TODAY reported in March that the federal government pays an average of 20% more than private firms for comparable occupations. The analysis did not consider differences in experience and education.

•Total compensation. Federal compensation has grown 36.9% since 2000 after adjusting for inflation, compared with 8.8% for private workers.


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WARNING: The Federal Employees Pension System Is Running An Even Bigger Deficit Than Social Security
Bruce Krasting | Oct. 21, 2010,

I don’t think there is anyone who looks at the issue of entitlements in the US who is not gravely concerned about the direction we are on. Economists of all stripes, damn near everyone in D.C. and a long list of academics have all highlighted the problems. But the same groups that are raising red flags are misleading us on when and how this problem will affect us. They say/think it is a tomorrow problem. Actually it is hitting us today.

I want to focus on the Federal Employees Retirement System (“FERS”). This is a retirement program for federal workers. The program is similar to Social Security in a number of ways.

-FERS collects money from government workers and their employer.

-The program pays benefits to eligible workers and their families.

-FERS has a trust fund. Currently there is $775b of Special Issue Treasury securities in the fund. This is equivalent to 6% of our total debt and is therefore a very big deal. FERS holds as much of our paper as do the Chinese and the Federal Reserve.

-FERS is running a cash flow deficit. This is a new phenomenon. FERS is converting itself into a defined contribution plan that will address some of the problems. However the cash drain experienced in 2010 will not be reversed in the foreseeable future. It will increase. Some numbers from OMB:

Read more: WARNING: The Federal Employees Pension System Is Running An Even Bigger Deficit Than Social Security

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