NC Bass kill

[Islander77]

BAd science is why quotas are increased?? I suppose bad science is why nmfs owes my old man almost 30 grand and confiscated 2 tuna completely illegally from him.. bad science leads to paper shredding ... cause rec guys are godly and do no damage.. And honest fisherman the minority??? What are you smokin and please do SHARE.. your as high as a kite on that one .. Sneaking fish you try it .. landin over weight.. you try it.. DOCKSIDE MONITORS.. WATCH VESSEL UNLOAD AND ESCORT FISH TO A FEDERAL FISH DEALER... try again.. Sorry your bash the commercial guys propaganda dont work with me to much time in it... Now on the other hand ya wanna talk bass ok cool lets go .. The state of Mass gives a comm lisence to any resident ya wanna talk out side the eez buddy .. Half your state quota this year was more then three miles out.. people abusing the system FLAGRANTLY in MASS I witnessed it while fishing legal.. oh wait these are not real comm guys tho they are mostly construction guys or what have ya supplementing income.. so really rec guys makin a buck... no I was in refference to the industry on a whole gillnettin in particular.. which for monk has nothing to do with bass.. Now seems to be alot of pilgrams are comm bass guys in your state though..

BUT NOW MAKE SURE YOU DONT BLAME:
1) States that give cracker jack licenses
2) the guys yes pluraul comin in with 90 bass per boat in MASS
3) the fleet of non english speakers killing schoolies like they are no big deal
4) the rest of teh crowd at the end of the jetty involved in bad fishin practice
5) BAD INFO.. yea I said it.. you realize your science is wrong in the wrong direction correct??? they under tally bio mass.. oh wait they know it all so really thats a high of whats there.. Yea ok ..
6) REC guys cause yall do nothing wrong..


On that note Im done. Like I said I can go back and forth all day. I know THE TRUTH from my side being a regulated and honest Comm guy.. ya cant lie anymore yall dont get it.. And sadly enough its a waste of my breath.. I just hop esome day theh goverment takes up residence in your respective colons for the industry or industries you work in like me...Then you will truly know what it feels like..

" The most dangerous thing to any industry is a scientist with an agenda." A quote from the movie truth by Brian Loftes..

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Islander77

BAd science is why quotas are increased?? I suppose bad science is why nmfs owes my old man almost 30 grand and confiscated 2 tuna completely illegally from him.. bad science leads to paper shredding ... cause rec guys are godly and do no damage.. And honest fisherman the minority??? What are you smokin and please do SHARE.. your as high as a kite on that one .. Sneaking fish you try it .. landin over weight.. you try it.. DOCKSIDE MONITORS.. WATCH VESSEL UNLOAD AND ESCORT FISH TO A FEDERAL FISH DEALER... try again.. Sorry your bash the commercial guys propaganda dont work with me to much time in it... Now on the other hand ya wanna talk bass ok cool lets go .. The state of Mass gives a comm lisence to any resident ya wanna talk out side the eez buddy .. Half your state quota this year was more then three miles out.. people abusing the system FLAGRANTLY in MASS I witnessed it while fishing legal.. oh wait these are not real comm guys tho they are mostly construction guys or what have ya supplementing income.. so really rec guys makin a buck... no I was in refference to the industry on a whole gillnettin in particular.. which for monk has nothing to do with bass.. Now seems to be alot of pilgrams are comm bass guys in your state though..

BUT NOW MAKE SURE YOU DONT BLAME:
1) States that give cracker jack licenses
2) the guys yes pluraul comin in with 90 bass per boat in MASS
3) the fleet of non english speakers killing schoolies like they are no big deal
4) the rest of teh crowd at the end of the jetty involved in bad fishin practice
5) BAD INFO.. yea I said it.. you realize your science is wrong in the wrong direction correct??? they under tally bio mass.. oh wait they know it all so really thats a high of whats there.. Yea ok ..
6) REC guys cause yall do nothing wrong..

Pretty much all of the above reaffirms my comments. The commercial regulatory system is broken and exploited. You see it and, from the sounds of it, accept that it is an issue. So close it down.

With regards to my "anecdotal evidence" in terms of how comm guys scam the system and how you somehow think it is impossible, how about the major sting operation that broke up the poaching cartel in MD. If it's so impossible, how'd they get away with it?
How about the Mass guy that was arrested and had his boat impounded due to the hidden compartment where he stored poached fish above the limit?
How about the commercial boat out of NC last year that was boarded by the Coast Guard in the EEZ significantly over their limit?

On that note Im done. Like I said I can go back and forth all day. I know THE TRUTH from my side being a regulated and honest Comm guy.. ya cant lie anymore yall dont get it.. And sadly enough its a waste of my breath.. I just hop esome day theh goverment takes up residence in your respective colons for the industry or industries you work in like me...Then you will truly know what it feels like..

" The most dangerous thing to any industry is a scientist with an agenda." A quote from the movie truth by Brian Loftes..

You're welcome to hope the government meddles in my industry, because they do. As a business owner, the government intrudes in my way of life every single day so don't expect sympathy from me when it comes to dealing with the government.

[Islander77]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Pretty much all of the above reaffirms my comments. The commercial regulatory system is broken and exploited. You see it and, from the sounds of it, accept that it is an issue. So close it down.

With regards to my "anecdotal evidence" in terms of how comm guys scam the system and how you somehow think it is impossible, how about the major sting operation that broke up the poaching cartel in MD. If it's so impossible, how'd they get away with it?
How about the Mass guy that was arrested and had his boat impounded due to the hidden compartment where he stored poached fish above the limit?
How about the commercial boat out of NC last year that was boarded by the Coast Guard in the EEZ significantly over their limit?



You're welcome to hope the government meddles in my industry, because they do. As a business owner, the government intrudes in my way of life every single day so don't expect sympathy from me when it comes to dealing with the government.

Well share the wealth with the blame.. and unless you own a tr#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& company or a fishing company ... Then you may think you know what the government can do.. you have seen nithing of it... As far as the gross neglagence of the enforcement to do their jobs??The stin in MD was what year? The guy in mass stste only.. The coast guard bordin over the eez?? should of been a team of NMFS cops.. You have your opinion and to think I accept something cause I witnessed it, Is as lusacris as the regulations are now.. The regulatory process is "broken" DUE TO BAD SCIENCE.. And for the record the increase in catch dont show up in MOST fisheries..

[Redsoxticket]

I would like to see monitor on commercial boats to insure laws are obeyed. The cost to implement would be a challenge.
Maybe the owners can absorb the cost by an increase in amount of ponds of fish to offset the monitors cost.
Or boat owner pay directly as the cost of doing business as a business would hire a cop for an event to regulate saftey
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[Islander77]

Google NMFS observer and monitor program.. rule numero uno in both programs " report any illegal activity"... Your wish has been in effect for over 5 years now.. Oh and the owners do absorb a good share of the cost through "SECTOR FEES" and umm yea why do you think the goverment just gave "The Fisheries" a couple billion.. NO fisherman saw a dime.. was all for NMFS... so your wants are all ready in play

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

I would like to see monitor on commercial boats to insure laws are obeyed. The cost to implement would be a challenge.
Maybe the owners can absorb the cost by an increase in amount of ponds of fish to offset the monitors cost.
Or boat owner pay directly as the cost of doing business as a business would hire a cop for an event to regulate saftey
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[Chesapeake Bill]

Observers is not the answer. The so called "MD ring" (although they actually came from Virginia and DC but hey, why get the facts right) did everything in the open. I personally know one of them as he lives about a mile from me. One of his nets that he used to increase his quota (read poach) was just a short swim up the creek from me. I won't say he's a nice guy becasue a thief is a thief in my book. However, for every comm doing it there are more (primarily because of the sheer numbers) of recs who are doing the same thing albeit in smaller numbers. But the result is the same. The difference is that the recs do it when we are out fishing as well so we could care less (or don't want to take the time from our actions getting our piece of the share) to report them. Makai said it best...another example of how we as the human race can really show how little we have advanced since we left the cave.

All I can say is that when they select the new Director of Enforcement for NMFS (most here don't even know they are in the process of filling that position) I hope he/she will place as much emphassis on holding us accountable as recreational anglers as they do for our commercial brethern. In fact, maybe the answer is observers for us. Wouldn't you like to have someone on your boat or looking over your sholder telling you not to swim out farther because they need to stay tethered to you? Be careful what you wish for...

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Chesapeake Bill

The difference is that the recs do it when we are out fishing as well so we could care less (or don't want to take the time from our actions getting our piece of the share) to report them.

Everyone should have their local EP number in their phone. I've called many times but the problem is there is often only one guy on duty covering the entire Cape - this is according to one of the MEP guys I talked with down the canal.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Islander77

Google NMFS observer and monitor program.. rule numero uno in both programs " report any illegal activity"... Your wish has been in effect for over 5 years now.. Oh and the owners do absorb a good share of the cost through "SECTOR FEES" and umm yea why do you think the goverment just gave "The Fisheries" a couple billion.. NO fisherman saw a dime.. was all for NMFS... so your wants are all ready in play

So the system works?
Why the pile of dead bass either culled or as by-catch?

I am not anti-Comm I77, but have serious reservations with several styles of fishing....

[Islander77]

RIRH first off observers are on FEDERAL boats as are monitors.. ANd docksides watch catch be unloaded and stay with fish till it gets to a FFD.. Now that being said 3 miles an shoaler not FEDERAL its a state problem.. Now I have said many times Im for CONSERVATION not erradication.. no NC system is horrilbly flawed as is the NEMSGF... and the regs up here.. Just sayin dont jump on a bandwagon to fix NC and say how YOUR state is so perfect.. CAUSE IT AINT! And yes it all comes down to greed I was too busy making an HONEST paycheck to worry about callin.. But then again Id love to see yall in a floating circle jerk of no less then 150 boats tryin to remember which one was wich.. while trying to avoid things like whales idiots on other boats gettin hung down.. Like I have said many many times I can do this all day.. but please remember when yuou talk of waste of resources it takes 5 govt official agents for one boat to run a LEGAL trip.. oh and your taxes do pay a brunt of it.. And for the record most of the observers cyclin in this summer were coming back from ALASKA AND HAWAII... at least the ones in Chatham.. The law says 30% coverage on every FED comm boat.. yall wanna talk ok MY fathers 3 gill netters outta Chatham lowest is 89%.. 89% almost 3 times the legal required amount??? why is that?? Oh cause we dont treat the observers badly and the 30% comes from the sector total... Quit blaming "greedy fishermen" you dont know what its like to deal with our job do our job or try to live on what we make. And what we have to go through to get that check. Now ya wanna bash states that allow all this lets go Im with ya..

Heres a couple little facts for you
1) 80% of seafood in this country is IMPORTED!!!!!!

2) for every 1 dollar of fish landed in this country, 4 dollars is generated to the general economy from it..

3) The US has under harvested its swordfish quota to the point our remaining unharvested quota was given to other countries who already were overfishing their quotas..

My honest opinion is this ya wanna stop waste in the fisheries???

IMPLEMENT NO WASTE.. EVERYTHING OVER THE RAIL GETS LANDED AND COMES OFF THE QUOTA.. END OF STORY

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So the system works?
Why the pile of dead bass either culled or as by-catch?

I am not anti-Comm I77, but have serious reservations with several styles of fishing....

[Islander77]

And RIRH I have more then serious reservation... I hate draggers they are the most innefficiant fishing method for target species fishing.. They operated under imunity for years now that over.. hopefully most will go away.. but I doubt it.. The fact is the draggers no longer have the wallet.. A different fishery does.. AHHEMMM Scallopers.. yea them boys got the money they deserve it but they are who youll see soon runnin an industry.. $20 a pound for yellow tail quota. what scallopers were payin at one point so they could continue to fish once the hard TAC was hit...

[robc22]

Sorta like the tournament largemouth bass fishermen......tossing fish as they caught a bigger one.......called high grading........seen this in offshore sportfishing tournments too.....but hey.....thats sportfishing.......

[MikeToole]

When your taking the time to write to the NC regulators you may want to take the time to also write to the Mass regulators. The Mass commercial quota is much larger then NC and the Northeast trawlers and draggers are also killing fish and throwing them overboard. There not culling their just throwing them over because they can't keep any. Then there is that license to steal Mass calls a commercial license that many recreational fisherman use to get around the two fish limit.

Not trying to be a jerk. Just that we need to take a good look at what is happening up here in our own back yard. Sure what is happening down in NC is a disgrace but things up here aren't much better.

[179]

It's a start, keep up the pressure.
Massive fish kill prompts changes in commercial fishing in North Carolina - WTKR

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by MAKAI

Now when is the next cleansing asteroid coming ?

December 21st 2012.

[MAKAI]

I am going to Mayan end of the world party that day . . . . no lie.
Costume party, no expense spared . . . . I know a very wealthy man who believes in that.

Be the best scotch I'll ever have.

[Islander77]

Originally Posted by MikeToole

When your taking the time to write to the NC regulators you may want to take the time to also write to the Mass regulators. The Mass commercial quota is much larger then NC and the Northeast trawlers and draggers are also killing fish and throwing them overboard. There not culling their just throwing them over because they can't keep any. Then there is that license to steal Mass calls a commercial license that many recreational fisherman use to get around the two fish limit.

Not trying to be a jerk. Just that we need to take a good look at what is happening up here in our own back yard. Sure what is happening down in NC is a disgrace but things up here aren't much better.

Thannks Mike that was my whole point.. But got lost defending my heritage...

[Thumper]

This is an email that I got today regarding NC.

I am writing in response to your e-mail regarding your concerns about North Carolina’s striped bass fishery.

On Jan. 21, the N.C. Division of Marine Fisheries implemented regulatory changes to address discards of striped bass in the commercial trawl fishery. The division replaced the previous 50-fish-per-day commercial trip limit with a 2,000-pound-per-day trip limit.

To avoid regulatory discards, the new regulations allow commercial trawl fishermen to transfer trip limits to other fishing vessels that hold a striped bass ocean fishing permit for the commercial trawl fishery. This way, all the fish will be landed and count against the commercial quota.

Thank you for your interest in North Carolina’s marine fisheries.

Sincerely,
Patricia Smith