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[PRBuzz]

Originally Posted by OLD GOAT

How does Iceland do it???? There running on hydrogen

Renewable energy in Iceland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Currently, imported oil fulfils most of Iceland's remaining energy needs. This cost has caused Iceland to focus on domestic, renewable energy. Bragi Arnason, a local professor, first proposed the idea of using hydrogen as a fuel source in Iceland during the 1970s, which is also when the oil crisis occurred. At that point in time this idea was considered untenable, but in 1999 Icelandic New Energy was established to govern the project of transitioning Iceland into the first hydrogen society by 2050.[9] This followed a decision in 1998 by the Icelandic Parliament to convert vehicle and fishing fleets to hydrogen produced from renewable energy.[10]
Iceland provides an ideal location to test the viability of hydrogen as a fuel source for the future, since it is a small country of only 300,000 people, with over 60% living in the capital, Reykjavík. The relatively small scale of the infrastructure will make it easier to transition the country from oil to hydrogen. There is also a plentiful supply of natural energy that can be harnessed to produce hydrogen in a renewable way, making it perfect for hydrogen production. Iceland is a participant in international hydrogen fuel research and development programs, and many countries are following the nation's progress with interest. However, these factors also make Iceland an advantageous market for electric vehicles. Because electric vehicles are becoming available sooner than hydrogen vehicles, the country may switch to electric vehicles.[11]
Iceland already converts its surplus electricity into exportable goods and hydrocarbon replacements. In 2002 it produced 2,000 tons of hydrogen gas by electrolysis—primarily for the production of ammonia for fertilizer.

[Saltheart]

People have talked about Hydrolizing water to then burn it back to water for many decades. This guy is not new news. I have seen him on TV before when he was just pushing the torch. I'm not saying he's a fraud , just that he's been around before. I think in fact he's legitimate.

One way to look at the energy balance is simply that it takes more energy to crack the water than you get back when you burn the Hydrogen and Oxygen back together. In this way its a net loss. Now suppose you burn say coal , to produce the energy to make this HHO and burn the HHO in cars. Well now maybe it makes economic sense if the unit of energy per amount of coal costs the same or less than the mobil fuel source HHO. In other words you build a big coal fired plant to make the electricity to manufactue the more portable HHO fuel.

Now leap ahead , someone mentioned solar power to crack the HHO. That may be a good idea. You have solar cells generating electricity all day that is at too low a power level to say run your whole house. However , it could be used to fill storagae tanks with HHO. So the HHO acts as a way to store the solar energy and its a portable form that can be burned to generate very high power levels as needed for short periods of time vs the low power level but long duration solar.

Now fast forward again to Hydrogen Fusion reactors. When we get them , and we will soemday , then there is no end to the amount of energy we can generate. the problem is getting it from the hydrogen fusion reactor to your house and car. So you generate electricity at the reactor facility and then use it to crack the hater to hydrogen and oxygen. You then burn them at home for heat , in your car for transportation and in hydrogen fuel Cells for electricity. Whereever the primary source of the energy is , most would agree that cracking and reburning water will be the way to make that energy useful and portable for people to use at home , on the roads , etc.