Trying 2 Understand!!!!!! Hull? WOT?

[Padawan]

I been looking at this 25c Seacraft with twin 200 Yami 4 stroke which WOT is about 48-50 and you have a 23t contender with same motors that will WOT at 60 or so. I know the hull design is different but both boats are almost the same size. is it hull design of the 23t enables it to go much faster.

I know that the 23t with twin 150 yami hits close to 50.

give some ideas members I want to hear your thoughts.

[blaruffa]

Prop pitch, Weight of the boat, fuel, water, bottom paint all can have an impact.

[Padawan]

just goign with the standards... do you thin its possible that a 25 seacraft with twin 200 yami's hit 50+

[thefishingfreak]

WOT on paper or rumors Is just that. Never believe it untill your the one at the wheel watching the gps.
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[numbskull]

You do not want to be going 50-60 Kts in either boat. The Contender would be a death trap at that speed, and the Seacraft only marginally better. Then again, your fuel burn at full throttle will make you glad to be dead.

What you want to know is what the fuel burn/miles to gallon is at cruising speed.....which will be about 25-30 kts if the day is nice, and less if there is wind over 10 kts. The Contender will do better than the Seacraft because it is lighter by a lot, but it will also ride worse in any kind of head sea (weight and length is what keeps your props in the water).
Twin 200's seem like a ridiculous amount of power and expense on a 23 foot boat. Also a ridiculous amount of weight if they are 4 strokes.

One final thought, also check out the Regulators (and maybe the Conchs).

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

WOT on paper or rumors Is just that. Never believe it untill your the one at the wheel watching the gps.
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Originally Posted by numbskull

You do not want to be going 50-60 Kts in either boat. The Contender would be a death trap at that speed, and the Seacraft only marginally better. Then again, your fuel burn at full throttle will make you glad to be dead.

What you want to know is what the fuel burn/miles to gallon is at cruising speed.....which will be about 25-30 kts if the day is nice, and less if there is wind over 10 kts. The Contender will do better than the Seacraft because it is lighter by a lot, but it will also ride worse in any kind of head sea (weight and length is what keeps your props in the water).
Twin 200's seem like a ridiculous amount of power and expense on a 23 foot boat. Also a ridiculous amount of weight if they are 4 strokes.

One final thought, also check out the Regulators (and maybe the Conchs).

good advice there.

[Padawan]

I understand what you are saying. I was just looking at some specs on a 28 mckee with twin 225 and its top speed with 60 and that boat is bigger boat then the 25 seacraft. I am trying to make sure the motors i am looking are running at its potential.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Have you driven a boat at 60kts before?

think before you leap.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Have you driven a boat at 60kts before?

think before you leap.

Also that 40 GPH, if not more, part.

[Typhoon]

Originally Posted by numbskull

You do not want to be going 50-60 Kts in either boat. The Contender would be a death trap at that speed, and the Seacraft only marginally better. Then again, your fuel burn at full throttle will make you glad to be dead.

What you want to know is what the fuel burn/miles to gallon is at cruising speed.....which will be about 25-30 kts if the day is nice, and less if there is wind over 10 kts. The Contender will do better than the Seacraft because it is lighter by a lot, but it will also ride worse in any kind of head sea (weight and length is what keeps your props in the water).
Twin 200's seem like a ridiculous amount of power and expense on a 23 foot boat. Also a ridiculous amount of weight if they are 4 strokes.

One final thought, also check out the Regulators (and maybe the Conchs).

There must be 3 different 23 Sea Crafts that fish race point with twin 200s.

[zacs]

Originally Posted by ntieu22

I understand what you are saying. I was just looking at some specs on a 28 mckee with twin 225 and its top speed with 60 and that boat is bigger boat then the 25 seacraft. I am trying to make sure the motors i am looking are running at its potential.

re-read numskulls post. you need to stop focusing on top speed at look at fuel burn at cruise, unless you are planning on doing poker runs or something i guess.

Numskull said it best. any boat, 23-28 feet, plan on max cruise speed of 30kts on nice days, less when it kicks up (which in SENE is more often than not.)

Of course there are FAC days that you can max things out, but like RIRH said, have you ever driven a boat at 60kts? It is not for the faint of heart.... or faint of wallet as likwid mentioned.

[Padawan]

Understood.. Love it everyone is chewing me out!!! lol

[zacs]

we aren't chewing you out, just setting you straight!

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Typhoon

There must be 3 different 23 Sea Crafts that fish race point with twin 200s.

400 hp on a 23 foot boat is a lot.
...a lot of selling hype (it pays to cater to repressed sexuality)
...a lot of power you don't need
...a lot of expense you don't need
...a lot of weight on the transom you don't need.

More importantly, fishing exposed rips in small center consoles with heavy open sterns is not something worth emulating.

[Typhoon]

Originally Posted by numbskull

More importantly, fishing exposed rips in small center consoles with heavy open sterns is not something worth emulating.

The guys come ripping out of the Pamet at 50 mph with 6 Penn 130s which take up half the boat, rip past the fleet bass fishing like they're a boss and then hit the rip and have to go 5 mph. Then it's 50 mph to Peaked Hill.

200 gallons used, 3 miles

The best is when a NY boat does it and doesn't slow down for the rip and ends up in orbit with a yard sale on the deck.

[taJon]

don't listen to them! 50 isn't even the tip of the iceberg. Get 250s on there and be done with it. just like in FL. The faster and more airborne the better.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Have you driven a boat at 60kts before?

think before you leap.

I have !

[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

I have !

He's not talking about driving down I-95 on the hydrolic trailer.
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[Padawan]

hahah this is great!!!!!

[JohnR]

STAY AWAY FROM THE 25 SEACRAFT GRASSHOPPER.

Not all but MANY had problems with bad builds and shaking apart. Fairly well documented over at ClassicSeacraft

Find a 23 SC with a flotation bracket and twins if you must.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by ntieu22

I been looking at this 25c Seacraft with twin 200 Yami 4 stroke which WOT is about 48-50 and you have a 23t contender with same motors that will WOT at 60 or so. I know the hull design is different but both boats are almost the same size. is it hull design of the 23t enables it to go much faster.

I know that the 23t with twin 150 yami hits close to 50.

give some ideas members I want to hear your thoughts.

My thought is, as most of the experienced boaters have said, you are crazy to want to do 50 to 60 MPH in any of the boats mentioned. I have done 35KNTS in my old boat (Sea Hunt CC) and THAT speed scared the crap out of me.

[Typhoon]

Guy on the right........oooooooooo fuuuuuuuc*******KKKKKKKKKK




Like a boss

[MrHunters]

I get 43 with a heavy 23 that is hardly aerodynamic on a single 225.

ROI on twins on that size boat doesn't equal out. How many times in our area can you actually go 50+. Why would you want to?

[Rip Runner]

I don't think a Contender 23T with 200 Yamaha 4 strokes will hit 60 either. With 200 HDPI's it will hit 60. the 200 & 225HP yamaha 4 strokes are great reliable engines, but low on HP and heavy on weight.

Both boats will cruise comfortabley at 40-45MPH in the right conditions. I would go with a 23 SeaCraft with bracket as well over the 25 Seacraft. Oh, and the 23T Contender is a 25 foot boat too.

[taJon]

Originally Posted by Typhoon

Guy on the right........oooooooooo fuuuuuuuc*******KKKKKKKKKK




Like a boss

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Typhoon

Guy on the right........oooooooooo fuuuuuuuc*******KKKKKKKKKK




Like a boss

Plenty of guys on THT playing this game if the OP really wants to know about going fast.

[Mr. Sandman]

A few things could easily account for this (or a combo of several)

1) The beam and weight is a little higher on the 25 vs the 23.
2) the props might not be correct or properly matched or damaged. You would be amazed how much you can loose just by having a slightly out of pitch blade...when this happens the blades tend to work against one another instead of producing uniform thrust together.
3) the bottoms are different, the SC has a slightly less efficient in a chop but a much softer ride. (personally as someone who had a career in marine hydrodynamics I love the longitudinal stepped V hull which offers amazing benifits..SEACRAFT Boats )
4) Bottom condition

My 23 sc had twin 150's it would hit 50 wot. ( I rarely could find water where I could run like that, it was a white knuckle ride) When I went to a single 225 4stroke, it hit 40 wot on a good day. Fuel econ was much better! I went for a test drive on a used 23 that had twin 225 2 strokes and it was scary, I thought it was a death trap. When it hit 60 the boat was so squirly it was IMO out of control and not safe. I backed off the deal. All that said, the boat handles better with twin motors there is a stability created with twins that you cant get with a singles but you have to pay for it with fuel and service costs.
Honestly, with fuel $ the way it is...get a single 4stroke 250 and cruise at 28 knots and don't push it and you will be happy.

Look at those photos above...It is calm and they can't keep the boat in the water! If you ran like that for an hour you would be exhausted (and broke).

[Padawan]

tHAT IS TRUE.. WHEN I WAS DOING THE COMPARION IT WAS WITH A 25 SC AND A 23T CONTENDER AND I NOW THE 23T IS ACTUALLY 25..