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[PaulS]

Yes, I meant Bush - worse president of our lifetime (even thought he did good with aids in Africa). Lied about Iraq, huge budget deficits. Since you brought up 9/11, it was on his watch.

Funny you bring up class - That is a good one.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Funny you bring up class - That is a good one.

I love it when liberals do this...you insult my comment, with not one shred of evidence to support it.

Bush had his share of critics, and he refused to attack them. Obama gets prickly with everyone who refuses to kiss his ring. Remember Obama's response to Paul Ryan's budget...Obama said that the GOP wants disabled kids "to fend for themselves". Obama said Republicans should "sit in the back of the bus".

Say what you want about Bush, he didn't do those things. If I'm wrong, and maybe I am, please show me the support. Good luck!

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I love it when liberals do this...you insult my comment, with not one shred of evidence to support it.

Calling the president of the US a scum bag, Barney Fife shows class?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Calling the president of the US a scum bag, Barney Fife shows class?

Here is the difference Paul...I'm not talking about me. If you want to say I have no class, fine, I never said I did.

I think Bush has tons of class (too much for politics), and I said why. You mocked my comment, and offered to support. I thought you were syaing Bush had no class, maybe you just meant that I had no business talking baout class?

Maybe I'm too abrasive, but that doesn't mean I can't distinguish between a true gentleman (Bush) and a whiny, thin-skinned, vindictive brat like Obama.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yes, I meant Bush - worse president of our lifetime (even thought he did good with aids in Africa). Lied about Iraq, huge budget deficits. Since you brought up 9/11, it was on his watch.

Funny you bring up class - That is a good one.

You also fault Bush for his harmful deficits (which I fault him for, too). So what about Oabma, whose deficits dwarf Bush's? Why do you give him a pass?

Answer - you are an ideologue, who praises all liberals, and attacks all conservatives.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You also fault Bush for his harmful deficits (which I fault him for, too). So what about Oabma, whose deficits dwarf Bush's? Why do you give him a pass?

Answer - you are an ideologue, who praises all liberals, and attacks all conservatives.

Yes, I blame Obama for the deficts.

I voted for both Bushes (worse voting mistakes I made) but now I"m an idologue?

Where am I constantly praising liberals and attacking conservatives? Most of my posts here point out the hypocrisy of the posters for are constantly posting criticism w/o recognizing that their polictical god did/does the same or pointing out the pettiness of their posts.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yes, I blame Obama for the deficts.

I voted for both Bushes (worse voting mistakes I made) but now I"m an idologue?

Where am I constantly praising liberals and attacking conservatives? Most of my posts here point out the hypocrisy of the posters for are constantly posting criticism w/o recognizing that their polictical god did/does the same or pointing out the pettiness of their posts.

Again, I assumed you were saying Bush didn't have more class than Obama, which in my opinion would be a crazy thing to say. If you were attacking me, that's fair...

What has Obama done to compare with Bush's saving 1.2 million lives?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Again, I assumed you were saying Bush didn't have more class than Obama, which in my opinion would be a crazy thing to say. If you were attacking me, that's fair...

What has Obama done to compare with Bush's saving 1.2 million lives?

Not saying Bush/Obama has more class than the other. I've never criticized or praised either of them for that. I try not to get so petty that I'm making posts about whether a pres. or his wife did something in deference to the other VIPs traditiions.

I've always said Bush did a good job w/aids in Africa and I've seen him praised for it. I've never made this arguement but why wouldn't Obama get praised with saving US lives w/the health care reform? All non-biased experts say it will save lives. If people are against the law, they won't admit that fact.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

but why wouldn't Obama get praised with saving US lives w/the health care reform? All non-biased experts say it will save lives. If people are against the law, they won't admit that fact.

quite a statement

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Not saying Bush/Obama has more class than the other. I've never criticized or praised either of them for that. I try not to get so petty that I'm making posts about whether a pres. or his wife did something in deference to the other VIPs traditiions.

I've always said Bush did a good job w/aids in Africa and I've seen him praised for it. I've never made this arguement but why wouldn't Obama get praised with saving US lives w/the health care reform? All non-biased experts say it will save lives. If people are against the law, they won't admit that fact.

I'm against the law, and I do not admit that "fact", because of course it's not a fact, at least not yet.

Healthcare in socialized nations is "better" in the sense that fewer people are uninsured, so some people at the very bottom will be better off. Will some of their lives be saved? Yes.

Is that the end of the story? No. Because the other thing that happens in socialized countries (that have plans like Obamacare) is that the overall quality of care tends to go down (because doctors get paid a lot less, so fewer smart people go into medicine, so there are fewer docs to go around). Ask someone in Canada how easy it is to go to the doctor when you are sick. Many of those countries have astronomical rates of government-ordered euthenasia, because there simply isn't enough money to treat these people.

Some of those countries might have 0% uninsured, but the statistics for things like cancer survival rates, are also worse than we see here, because the overall quality of care will inevitably decline.

Obamacare (if it goes through) may push everyone closer to an average level of care, but that new average level of care will be lower than it is today. That's an inevitable result of socialism, it cannot be avoided. Like everything else, liberals think the solution to healthcare is to spend jillions of dollars (someone else's dollars) on it. And like everyhting else, we will learn that money doesn't solve many of these problems. Here is how I know that - Government spending is much higher now than it was 10 years ago, and I don't know anyone who's better off because of it, no one I know.

So while the folks at the bottom will be helped, others will be hurt, because of the average drop in care. That will cost some lives. Will the number of lives lost be greater than the number of lives saved? Who knows.

And if we judge a political party by wanting to save lives, I'm QUITE comfortable in saying that conservatives care a whole lot more about saving lives than liberals. Think about 4,000 unborn babies a day getting slaughtered (that number is correct by the way, four thousand a day), and 90% of those are done for sheer convenience (no health issues for the mom), and then tell me that conservatives don't care about others...

Obama, as a state senator in IL, literally supported a mom's right to kill her baby after the baby was born, and after it was outside the womb. That is monstrous, it is repugnant. I'm not exaggerating one bit...that's what he did, and we elected that ghoul to be president. So please spare me the lecture about his compassion for others.