Split thread: Lunkers on a Trout Rod

[FishnGrega]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

It is of my opinion that using the zip ties (another environmentally sound practice) and stainless steel hooks is just for the benefit of a fisherman who can't invest a little time to rig an eel in a more fish friendly manner.

Do you drive a Prius? or an environmental hazard gas powered vehicle?

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

Perhaps after you have fished as long as I have you will be less sensitive to general criticism of methods and more open to other ideas.

If you've fished for "35+" years you should probably have more common sense about what your talking about.

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

I don't claim to be a great fisherman and think you have let my words carry more weight than they should, remember I am basically no one of any fame. I'm just a guy who fishes and voices my opinion. Hopefully one day we will fish the same stretch of beach and you can laugh at my techniques. I do what I do for me, not anyone else and don't seek anyones approval of my methods. Loose a few more fish to boulders or being spooled and perhaps you too will go a little heavier.

Perhaps you should have gotten more line on your spool if your getting spooled, or tighten your drag a couple turns more...

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

80# isn't what I use for tuna either, maybe yellow fin or school fish but not when I fish for giants it's 130# the most the IGFA will allow for the species I'm after. I'm not in it for the sport, I've done the ultra light line class sport thing and I have already covered how I feel about it.

Still no one has said they fish with light tackle, you seem to be very confused by that still.

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

Do you feel fishing stainless hooks and lighter line is more right than what I do or just another method?

your still oblivious...

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

Try the Canal mid tide with light gear and tell me what I use is so wrong, I'll be right there to console you when you get spooled or drown a 50+ pounder for what? The sport of it.

I wouldn't use light tackle at the ditch

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

And I'm not picking a fight. We are having a adult discussion where one of us has an open mind and the other prefers to limit themselves to what they know and believe is the only way to fish for stripers. None of what I have stated should have any negative impact upon anyone. Maybe the guy who rigged the eels could take offense, but that is being too thin skinned in my opinion. If anything I am helping Dj by bumping this thread back to the top so others may read what is being discussed.

Not speaking for DJ but this is getting a little ridiculous don't you think?

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

I do remember something about the rigged eels having the potential of hanging up on the bottom because of the hooks,

have you ever lost a bucktail at the ditch? If your hitting bottom with a riggie either A: speed up your retrieve, B: don't let it sink so much or C: Don't fish them in that particular area...

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

hey here's an idea try rigging them with the hooks up using a hook with a weighted shank....opps thats right I'm not smart enough to know what I am saying or doing so disregard my suggestion.

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Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

Come to think of it that might not be possible unless they make a stainless steel hook with a weighted shank, and it would take way too much effort to have to re-rig an eel do to the hooks deteriorating over time. Can't find a hook stout enough that has a weighted shank here's a tip try Radio shack, but you probably already know that trick. Hogy might be of interest also.

please re-phrase this mess your trying to speak of so I can understand it better... I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't make head or tales of what the hell your talking about...

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

Ask Dj, whom I can tell has a vast library of books on striper fishing to look at page 103 in the book "Fishing for Striped Bass" by Gary Caputi, bet that rigged eel can be fished bumping the bottom without the hooks hanging up.

I'm heading to the Ditch tomorrow night and Dj has my email, email me and I'll let you know where I'm fishing so you can get a good laugh at my feeble attempt to catch striped bass on Tuna gear. I would be honored to watch you fish and learn how to do it the right way. If I truly believed I was a great fisherman would I have spent the money to learn more at Bass class? Don't let my words carry so much weight in the future, I'm just a nobody that has an opinion and the inability to keep it to myself.

[ecduzitgood]

This isn't going to be easy to follow but here goes

Originally Posted by FishnGrega

Do you drive a Prius? or an environmental hazard gas powered vehicle?
Gas guzzling 97 ford exploder

If you've fished for "35+" years you should probably have more common sense about what your talking about.
Common sense is developed over time, if that doesn't help please be more specific and I will try and make my opinion clearer.

Perhaps you should have gotten more line on your spool if your getting spooled, or tighten your drag a couple turns more...
Thats why I am now fishing so heavy. I have evolved from 30# Ande mono on a squidder=spooled (Canal maybe 30 years ago) I never had a chance, couldn't slow it down felt like I hooked a sub going through.
40# Ande mono penn 980 mag once again never slowed down (Canal maybe 20 years ago, my memory isn't too good anymore)

50# Big game mono, calcutta 700, (Canal, several times over the years) I was able to turn the fish but couldn't keep it from rubbing my line on structure/ledge and lost too many, never spooled but never felt the power of the previous spoolings.

Now I fish 60# power pro hollow ace on a saltist 6500 and a spool for my VS300 pretty confident it will handle anything I hook up with, might part due to a wind knot but hasn't been an issue and I hope it never is, time will tell

I also have 80# JB on my calcutta 700's and a spool for my VS300 which I have absolute confidence in landing anything under 150#

I feel they all have enough line to allow me to turn a striper before getting into backing no matter how large.

Still no one has said they fish with light tackle, you seem to be very confused by that still.
It was a general statement, some do some don't, are you saying you have never seen what you consider to be light tackle being used for stripers?

your still oblivious...
Looks like a question to me, isn't that what somone who is oblivious does?

I wouldn't use light tackle at the ditch
Doesn't have to be the Canal but what do you think is going to happen when a 30 pound or larger fish you have hooked gets around structure and your main line makes contact with said structure 2-5 feet above your swivel/leader?

Not speaking for DJ but this is getting a little ridiculous don't you think?
Only because my general statement about some equipment I've seen being used seems to have hit a nerve.

have you ever lost a bucktail at the ditch? If your hitting bottom with a riggie either A: speed up your retrieve, B: don't let it sink so much or C: Don't fish them in that particular area...
It was brought up in class when Dj was asked how to fish the riggie being shown, he said he would not let it make contact with the bottom because the hooks where facing down and it would get hung up. I don't have this issue because I have experience fishing different gear in different areas and seldom hang up unless I'm unfamiliar with the area and not paying attention.

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please re-phrase this mess your trying to speak of so I can understand it better... I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't make head or tales of what the hell your talking about...

It's a suggestion so you can disregard it, explanation not necessary. Some thing have to be learned, experience will give you the ability to decipher what I'm saying, not all tips are given away freely where anyone can read them. The internet has given many a sense of accomplishment which they haven't earned due to the ability to just read what to do without paying any dues or using their mind to discover why or how things work

Don't worry someone who I have rubbed the wrong way will post what they think I meant.

I should be fishing not posting

[scottw]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

Some thing have to be learned, experience will give you the ability to decipher what I'm saying....

The internet has given many a sense of accomplishment which they haven't earned....
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I think I can decipher this....you hooked a seal at the Canal once and got spooled and are so determined that it will NEVER happen again that you've loaded up with things like 80lb line and a VS 300 which are overkill in any bass situation..... but, to each his own....anyone fishing "lesser" gear is not adequately armed and probably not experienced enough to understand why you do what you do....that's cool....must really take the fun out of catching 99% of the fish that actually end up on the end of your line throughout the season, but who fishes for the sport of catching anyway?..it's the challenge of...(I admit, I lost you there) be careful though, because you might drown a seal

"sense of accomplishment" is an individual thing and each measures it differently.... and hardly something that another should claim or presume to have the ability to measure regarding whether or not it has been earned in the proper way....

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by scottw

I think I can decipher this....you hooked a seal at the Canal once and got spooled and are so determined that it will NEVER happen again that you've loaded up with things like 80lb line and a VS 300 which are overkill in any bass situation..... but, to each his own....anyone fishing "lesser" gear is not adequately armed and probably not experienced enough to understand why you do what you do....that's cool....must really take the fun out of catching 99% of the fish that actually end up on the end of your line throughout the season, but who fishes for the sport of catching anyway?..it's the challenge of...(I admit, I lost you there) be careful though, because you might drown a seal

"sense of accomplishment" is an individual thing and each measures it differently.... and hardly something that another should claim or presume to have the ability to measure regarding whether or not it has been earned in the proper way....

Believe it or not seals were at one time very rare to see in the Canal, might have been a shark or even tuna or a fish of a lifetime, I'll never know but I will be better prepared to find out if I get another chance.

Also I may be wrong but wasn't the new world record striper found to have 3 hooks from previous break offs? I have a feeling the other three guys that hooked that fish may have increased the strength of their gear so it doesn't happen again.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

I have a feeling the other three guys that hooked that fish may have increased the strength of their gear so it doesn't happen again.

Or you'll pull the hook trying to horse them in on tuna gear....

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Or you'll pull the hook trying to horse them in on tuna gear....

It's all technique and when was the last time you saw an 11' tuna rod, infact my rods couldn't possibly apply the pressure that the line can withstand. I also have never broken a rod because there is more to the use of a rod than just pulling as hard as you can, there is a feel for what the rod is doing (it's hard to put into words).

Have you ever lost a plug because of a wind knot or birds nest? I don't anymore

Have you ever lost a fish that when you think about it a longer leader might have prevented the loss? I don't anymore

Just because my line is used for tuna doesn't mean it's just for tuna.

Fly fishermen say they care and I'm sure they do, but a 50-60 pound fish with a stainless steel hook in it's jaw might think otherwise, even with a brain slightly smaller than mine.

[saltydog]

Light Tackle for STRIPERS, YES Ive done it at P.I. just to prove a POINT to another guy . the next day we meet an three of us took my friends boat out,an I took my
3' ultra-light with 8lb p-line, an some clams we drifted the rip line out front from the point out towards the mouth, at the beginning of every drift I dropped the line in w/ the clamae on it an NO WEIGHT it would sink down after about 15-20 foot drift an BANG FISH ON.
we had to chase the fish to get it to the surface an the a quick release. this took place on every drift. till the clams were gone. outher boats would cut in on the drift an try to hook up.none ever did. but as they drifted down we would start an BAM on again, it was a fantastic
morning, but NOT at the DITCH.
GOOD LUCK GOOD FISHIN