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09-15-2011, 05:04 PM
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I think people expect too much from the big tourneys. The most enjoyable are little tourneys with small prizes (like a commemorative belt buckle) such that winning the prize is meaningless from a monetary view point. Its betweem friends or at least aquaintences and the biggest prize is the pride of having been lucky or skillfull or both that day (or weekend) These pumped up big events bring all the focus on winning big ticket items and that changes it from friendly sport to cutthroat ,lying , cheating, minipulating , do anything to win, fish kills.
The tourneys I have enjoyed the most were 1 day derbies where the cost on entering was like $10, a charity kept most of the money and someone gets a trophy or small value gear for winning. Our own S-B 4 leg tourneys are classic gentlemen's honor , catch and release and maybe you win a reel.
As soon as the prizes get big enough to make it a commercial inviting event, the spirit of sportsmanship gets ruined.
We grilled the original Striper Cup organizers online over the initial rules that promoted a fish kill much larger than the eventual rules that were adopted after the big protests.One thing that many wanted but that the organizers didn't was to not allow anyone with a commercial license to enter. I think that was the biggest mistake. With large prizes and commercial guys allowed to compete it became just another way for guys to earn more money from fish they were going to sell at the market anyway.
To me , the moral is that anything that turns a fishing tourney into more than simple fun between friends is bad for the tourney and participants.
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Saltheart
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09-15-2011, 06:45 PM
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Uncle Rob
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Cheshire, CT>
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get some sleep
Has anyone ever thought that because most of us release fish that we are now seeing larger fish 60#, 70# and even that 80#. Thanks guy's.
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09-20-2011, 11:38 AM
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Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Marshfield
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltheart
I think people expect too much from the big tourneys. The most enjoyable are little tourneys with small prizes (like a commemorative belt buckle) such that winning the prize is meaningless from a monetary view point. Its betweem friends or at least aquaintences and the biggest prize is the pride of having been lucky or skillfull or both that day (or weekend) These pumped up big events bring all the focus on winning big ticket items and that changes it from friendly sport to cutthroat ,lying , cheating, minipulating , do anything to win, fish kills.
The tourneys I have enjoyed the most were 1 day derbies where the cost on entering was like $10, a charity kept most of the money and someone gets a trophy or small value gear for winning. Our own S-B 4 leg tourneys are classic gentlemen's honor , catch and release and maybe you win a reel.
As soon as the prizes get big enough to make it a commercial inviting event, the spirit of sportsmanship gets ruined.
We grilled the original Striper Cup organizers online over the initial rules that promoted a fish kill much larger than the eventual rules that were adopted after the big protests.One thing that many wanted but that the organizers didn't was to not allow anyone with a commercial license to enter. I think that was the biggest mistake. With large prizes and commercial guys allowed to compete it became just another way for guys to earn more money from fish they were going to sell at the market anyway.
To me , the moral is that anything that turns a fishing tourney into more than simple fun between friends is bad for the tourney and participants.
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Really well said. I totally agree with your point of view. |
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09-20-2011, 12:00 PM
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: franklin ma
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Just noticed Sea Dangles alma marta took the lead for the team division...time to get some sleep...  |
It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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09-20-2011, 02:58 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: 61° 30′ 0″ N, 23° 46′ 0″ E
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Originally Posted by Back Beach
Just noticed Sea Dangles alma marta took the lead for the team division...time to get some sleep... |
82 points from a brand new member has a way of changing things.  |
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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09-20-2011, 03:35 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Originally Posted by Mike P
82 points from a brand new member has a way of changing things. |
For a casual observer who is not involved with the tournament you sure seem bitter. FWIW they would have won without the 82,some guys know how to catch large. |
PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
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09-20-2011, 04:34 PM
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Join Date: May 2000
Location: Cumberland,RI
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Originally Posted by Mike P
82 points from a brand new member has a way of changing things. |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
For a casual observer who is not involved with the tournament you sure seem bitter. FWIW they would have won without the 82,some guys know how to catch large.
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What's bitter about Mike's statement? Its just a statement of fact. You don't agree that a recent entry of 82 pounds significantly changes the results? |
Saltheart
Custom Crafted Rods by Saltheart
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09-20-2011, 08:16 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
For a casual observer who is not involved with the tournament you sure seem bitter. FWIW they would have won without the 82,some guys know how to catch large.
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Nope, not bitter at all. I couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& which club wins it. I just think that you either have set rules, or not, and if not, your tournament lacks something. If they're flexible, and subject to changing on the fly, IMO it's not a good thing. That's my opinion, nothing more, and you don't have to agree with it, or even like it.  |
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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09-20-2011, 09:45 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2002
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Mike was being coy with his statement Saltheart.And while I agree with his statement regarding the tournament,even he has to acknowledge that OTW had set the precedence years before by allowing changes midstream.The fact it was Myerson or even a record fish should not alter this exception despite the impact on the standings.It actually would have been unfair if he were not allowed to have a club affiliation.
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PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
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09-21-2011, 12:36 PM
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Also known as OAK
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
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Originally Posted by Mike P
Nope, not bitter at all.
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Just admit you are an angry, bitter lawyer with some old axe to grind... at least keep some fuel on the fire.... |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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09-21-2011, 03:09 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Originally Posted by Mike P
Nope, not bitter at all. I couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& which club wins it. |
I actually understand this completely....I couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& which woman wins the Miss Universe Pagent...I have not, nor will I ever participate in the Miss Universe Pagent but I do post lengthy remarks on the Miss Universe Facebook page and on various beauty queen websites regarding my opinions on various pagent rules which do not affect me in any way ....it's not that I'm bitter, and I'm actually in the corner of one or two contestants, particularly the ones that go really large....if ya know what I mean...but don't think that because I continually voice my opinions on the rules regarding the pagent that I really
give a #^&#^&#^&#^& 
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