Hook restrictions on Striped Bass - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

RIROCKHOUND · 10-12-2011, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by big jay

Likwid is right (I can't believe I just said that)

go wash your mouth out with some herring chum....

I don't love this step, but would adapt if needed.

I'd still rather see 1@36".

toaster816 · 10-12-2011, 05:45 AM

Taking less fish is not a ridiculous suggestion towards saving the stocks. The problem isn't gut hooked bass, it's over fishing by recs and coms. Hook management seems like a terrible waste of time. Are we really having this argument?

piemma · 10-12-2011, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

go wash your mouth out with some herring chum....

I don't love this step, but would adapt if needed.

I'd still rather see 1@36".

On point Bryan. 1 36" is part of the answer.

MAKAI · 10-12-2011, 08:20 AM

That law would be impossible to enforce.

Simply lower the kill.

Rockfish9 · 10-12-2011, 08:41 AM

This proposal has been hanging around for awhile.. it's nothing new...at least it is a tiny step in the right direction.. that direction being something to cut down mortality... I personaly dont like them ( circle hooks) for eel fishing, but would accept it.. If I can use them for live lining Macks.. I guess I can figure out how to cut down on my losses using eels...

My biggest problem with a mandate is.. what is next... one single barbless hook on a plug.. the stopping of using any dead or live bait... or maybe a complete moratorium..unfortunatly politics always gets involved, the real issues lost in red tape as user groups fight each other rather than putting their energy into the real issue of sustaining a healthy population while maintaining an on going fishery..

You can bet Groups like Green peace and PETA are waching this closely... they would like nothingmore than to shut down yet another out door activity..

I'd still like to see a state/nation wide slot limit myself and 1 fish per angler..

bart · 10-12-2011, 08:55 AM

I'm pretty sure they banned J hooks in the Gulf and those guys aren't hurting. They have the right mindset down there when it comes to conservation...

JohnnyD · 10-12-2011, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bart

I'm pretty sure they banned J hooks in the Gulf and those guys aren't hurting. They have the right mindset down there when it comes to conservation...

Don't they have a pretty good management system down there though? Unlike the impotent ASMFC.

I'd imagine the ban on J hooks down there is just one part of a broader, more effective approach to conservation.

Where as our regulators have an approach of "what is the maximum we can allow them to take before the striped bass stocks collapse?" Conservation isn't part of the regulatory mentality up here... it's not a part of many fishermen's mentality either though.

bart · 10-12-2011, 09:48 AM

Yes, the whole system, mentality is very pro-active down there. A lot of the regs wouldn't fly with the fishermen up here. BTW, I agree with most of what you've said...

big jay · 10-12-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

go wash your mouth out with some herring chum....

I don't love this step, but would adapt if needed.

I'd still rather see 1@36".

That's high class, expensive whiting chum these days, sir.

And you're absolutely right about 1 @ 36" if you really want to bring the levels back up.

My point is this - circle hooks have been proven to decrease mortality, therefore good in my book.
There are certainly bigger problems out there - total catch, black market, poachers, Mid-Water trawler by-catch, draggers culling in the Carolinas - but this is one step that is easy to implement without hitting any one group too hard, and without hitting anyone in the pocketbook. This is one step, and there should be more.

And anyone that doesn't think this will make any difference, didn't see the sh*t show that went on at P-town 3 seasons ago.

robc22 · 10-12-2011, 09:49 PM

Good luck tubing with a circle hook..............

RIROCKHOUND · 10-13-2011, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by robc22

Good luck tubing with a circle hook..............

At least in RI, the proposal was for circle with live and dead bait only...
didn't make it as far as this one....

Jay, excuse me....

The Dad Fisherman · 10-13-2011, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

At least in RI, the proposal was for circle with live and dead bait only...
didn't make it as far as this one....

Jay, excuse me....

Thats pretty much the same proposal in MA.....Whole or Chunked bait

toaster816 · 10-13-2011, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by likwid

Well played sir.

Thought you'd get a chuckle.

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Originally Posted by big jay

That's high class, expensive whiting chum these days, sir.

And you're absolutely right about 1 @ 36" if you really want to bring the levels back up.

My point is this - circle hooks have been proven to decrease mortality, therefore good in my book.
There are certainly bigger problems out there - total catch, black market, poachers, Mid-Water trawler by-catch, draggers culling in the Carolinas - but this is one step that is easy to implement without hitting any one group too hard, and without hitting anyone in the pocketbook. This is one step, and there should be more.

And anyone that doesn't think this will make any difference, didn't see the sh*t show that went on at P-town 3 seasons ago.

I agree Jay, an easy step that will make a difference, but as you explained it is just a small drop in the huge bucket of problems. The changes that must be made to make THE difference in ensuring healthy future stocks are the ones that will hurt a lot of guys financially and they are just dancing around it because of the uproar it will cause.

And it is understandable, someone who makes part or all of their living off the species will not want to be told they can no longer fish it or can only fish it to an extent where it will not be profitable, but if we want to see these fish in the future something drastic has to be done.