Circle Hook / YoYo Rig Comment Period and Hearings - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Saltheart · 11-13-2011, 01:24 PM

I have no issue with the Yo Yo thing. As stated already , just attach it to the line if you must Yo Yo.

The J hooks for eels will hurt IMO. I can see Circle Hooks for chunks or Clams , etc but for something like an eel that is actively fished like a lure , there should be an allowance of J hooks. Thet also need to consider rigged eels. Is that a lure or a bait?? I say its a lure.

piemma · 11-13-2011, 02:15 PM

This is such a stupid thing they are trying to do. It will make no material difference in the striper stocks. 1@36" is what will make a difference. We proved it in the 80s and it would prove out now.

Just finished reading On the Run for the second time. You want to see what the problem is? Look at Oregon Inlet in the winter. Charter takes 4 guys out in the morning and another 4 in the afternoon. They kill 16 20 to 30# fish EVERYDAY on each and every charter boat. We're not even talking about the recs. They probably kill 1/2 million breeder fish every winter. And some nitwit in Mass is worried about circle hooks.

basswipe · 11-13-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by piemma

This is such a stupid thing they are trying to do. It will make no material difference in the striper stocks. 1@36" is what will make a difference. We proved it in the 80s and it would prove out now.

Just finished reading On the Run for the second time. You want to see what the problem is? Look at Oregon Inlet in the winter. Charter takes 4 guys out in the morning and another 4 in the afternoon. They kill 16 20 to 30# fish EVERYDAY on each and every charter boat. We're not even talking about the recs. They probably kill 1/2 million breeder fish every winter. And some nitwit in Mass is worried about circle hooks.

Or why not implement the aforementioned proposals ALONG with 1@36".Maybe suggest this to your representative/senator instead of calling someone who has two very good ideas about helping to improve striper mortality rates a nitwit.

JohnR · 11-13-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Rockcrawler

The only concern i have is with using circles for eels. Even if they pass it i agree with John R, many will say effem and keep using the hooks they want. With the general lack of enforcement of all the fishing laws in this state i think it is m re symbolic than anything else. Ive been fishing the salt in MA for 15 years now and once had a green cop watch me land and release a striper, all he said was "nice fish" as i released it.

I use Circles almost exclusively. When I don't it is because it is dark and I tie on the wrong hook

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Originally Posted by Chunkah

I've used circles with eels and have never had a problem with missed hits etc....I think I'm in the minority though.

Me too.

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Originally Posted by piemma

This is such a stupid thing they are trying to do. It will make no material difference in the striper stocks. 1@36" is what will make a difference. We proved it in the 80s and it would prove out now.

Yeh. 1 @ 36 and 50% reduction in commercial take would do far more.

piemma · 11-13-2011, 04:47 PM

instead of calling someone who has two very good ideas about helping to improve striper mortality rates a nitwit.[/QUOTE]

..and pray tell who is the someone I called a nitwit, DMF?? If they think this is the solution to the striper mortality problem they are not in touch with what's really going on with the fishery.

Second point: How the hell do you see either rule as being enforceable? The only people that would adhere to either rule are the ones who practice C&R, don't wantonly kill indescriminently and are not the problem. You think the guys who were out on Brenton Reef during the commercial season in RI, Yo-yoing their brains out and killing 50s like they were blue gill, are going to say: "Well, OK it's 2 in the morning and I'm 2 miles off shore and it's pitch black, I better not yo-yo because it's against the law"? Of course not. It would be the same in Mass.

You know what the real answer is? Make the damn fish a game fish. Stop all commercial fishing up and down the coast from NC to MA and make it 1@36" for the recs. Then you would see results.

Chunkah · 11-13-2011, 04:55 PM

You know what the real answer is? Make the damn fish a game fish. Stop all commercial fishing up and down the coast from NC to MA and make it 1@36" for the recs. Then you would see results.

I like this idea the best.

JohnR · 11-13-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chunkah

You know what the real answer is? Make the damn fish a game fish. Stop all commercial fishing up and down the coast from NC to MA and make it 1@36" for the recs. Then you would see results.

I like this idea the best.

Game fish won't do as much. best impact is reduce overall pressure not just pressure from one group.

Pogies Forever!

b-ware · 11-13-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by piemma

instead of calling someone who has two very good ideas about helping to improve striper mortality rates a nitwit.

..and pray tell who is the someone I called a nitwit, DMF?? If they think this is the solution to the striper mortality problem they are not in touch with what's really going on with the fishery.

Second point: How the hell do you see either rule as being enforceable? The only people that would adhere to either rule are the ones who practice C&R, don't wantonly kill indescriminently and are not the problem. You think the guys who were out on Brenton Reef during the commercial season in RI, Yo-yoing their brains out and killing 50s like they were blue gill, are going to say: "Well, OK it's 2 in the morning and I'm 2 miles off shore and it's pitch black, I better not yo-yo because it's against the law"? Of course not. It would be the same in Mass.

You know what the real answer is? Make the damn fish a game fish. Stop all commercial fishing up and down the coast from NC to MA and make it 1@36" for the recs. Then you would see results.[/QUOTE]

Enforceable my a$$ What ever happened to SPORTMANSHIP, does every fisherman need a personal EPO to make sure he obeys the laws????????????????

DZ · 11-13-2011, 05:54 PM

I could live with using circles for my eel fishing. Probably just alter them a bit.

I do endorse the yoyo ban. This method is just so ethicly and morally wrong its hard to believe any responsible fisherman would use it.

DZ

Sea Dangles · 11-13-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DZ

I could live with using circles for my eel fishing. Probably just alter them a bit.

I do endorse the yoyo ban. This method is just so ethicly and morally wrong its hard to believe any responsible fisherman would use it.

DZ

Morals and ethics DZ? I would guess it is just perspective.Some don't like people fishing at all. Others think they should dictate the methods people use to catch fish.

Green Light · 11-14-2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Saltheart

Thet also need to consider rigged eels. Is that a lure or a bait??

It's fished like a lure. Ergo, lure.

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Saltheart · 11-15-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish360

It's fished like a lure. Ergo, lure.

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I agree but a live eel is also fished like a lure and it seems that is targeted for circle hooks...maybe..

DZ · 11-15-2011, 09:14 AM

With eels we may have more of a problem with the endangered species petition.

My problem with yoyo rigs is their continued potential to kill when not attached to a hook. If a yoyo pogy falls off they could still be ingested by other fish, birds, etc, and be fatal. No other R&R method I can think of has that same level of "potential to kill when not being used" - hence why I see this method as unethical.

DZ