Again, right down the street. Dean Fight...

[JohnnyD]

If true that the person getting the whooping stole the shoes then the thief made out better than he should have. If not, then he'd better get his day in court. This is how disagreements used to be settled... no courts, no police. Considering the way things are now, I'm surprised no one got shot or stabbed.

The video stated that some kids were expelled for "not helping the victim". Putting the ethics aside, I didn't know there was a legal obligation to help someone out in a situation like that.

[bassballer]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

If true that the person getting the whooping stole the shoes then the thief made out better than he should have. If not, then he'd better get his day in court. This is how disagreements used to be settled... no courts, no police. Considering the way things are now, I'm surprised no one got shot or stabbed.

The video stated that some kids were expelled for "not helping the victim". Putting the ethics aside, I didn't know there was a legal obligation to help someone out in a situation like that.

as stated above. The parents have brought the receipt for the sneakers to the authorities. They are pressing criminal charges on the kids.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

The video stated that some kids were expelled for "not helping the victim". Putting the ethics aside, I didn't know there was a legal obligation to help someone out in a situation like that.

There doesn't have to be a legal obligation. It's a private school on private property with their own conduct code. And if I was there, I would have stepped in to break it up, seeing as the kid wasn't able to defend himself.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by bassballer

as stated above. The parents have brought the receipt for the sneakers to the authorities. They are pressing criminal charges on the kids.

Missed that. Thanks.

Originally Posted by fishbones

There doesn't have to be a legal obligation. It's a private school on private property with their own conduct code. And if I was there, I would have stepped in to break it up, seeing as the kid wasn't able to defend himself.

Only the military or civil servants are required to put themselves in harms way for another. No school should be allowed to required someone to put him or herself in harms way. The choice should be the individual's. Aren't you over 6'? Then you've got a leg to stand on to step in. A bit of a different case for us short guys.

Like I said before, the way things are done today are much different than the past. Our litigation-enabling society creates a lot of issues for someone that steps in to help the guy on the ground - innocent or not. Speaking of which, the school will probably have a lawsuit on their case if kids were actually expelled merely for "not stepping in to help."

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Missed that. Thanks.


Only the military or civil servants are required to put themselves in harms way for another. No school should be allowed to required someone to put him or herself in harms way. The choice should be the individual's. Aren't you over 6'? Then you've got a leg to stand on to step in. A bit of a different case for us short guys.

Like I said before, the way things are done today are much different than the past. Our litigation-enabling society creates a lot of issues for someone that steps in to help the guy on the ground - innocent or not. Speaking of which, the school will probably have a lawsuit on their case if kids were actually expelled merely for "not stepping in to help."

Johnny, I'm guessing you didn't get into a lot of fights when you were in college. College kids are bigger and stronger than HS kids. Even today, usually someone will jump in and break it up so that someone doesn't end up in the hospital. Back when I was in college, fights were usually broken up pretty quickly and the worst that would happen is a black eye or fat lip. In this case, I don't blame the school for expelling the punks. It reflects poorly on the scool that they would have students that not only don't help break it up, but they cheer it on like a buch of #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s. Not to mention that they knew it was being recorded and they figured it would be a good idea to jump in front of the camera like they were getting on tv at a Raiders game.

[GregW]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Missed that. Thanks.


Only the military or civil servants are required to put themselves in harms way for another. No school should be allowed to required someone to put him or herself in harms way. The choice should be the individual's. Aren't you over 6'? Then you've got a leg to stand on to step in. A bit of a different case for us short guys.

Like I said before, the way things are done today are much different than the past. Our litigation-enabling society creates a lot of issues for someone that steps in to help the guy on the ground - innocent or not. Speaking of which, the school will probably have a lawsuit on their case if kids were actually expelled merely for "not stepping in to help."

I guess you missed the entire point. The school is PRIVATE. They can make a rule that must be followed in order to attend. They make the code of conduct and adapt it as needed.
The majority of colleges pride themselves on producing tomorrow's leaders. If you can not even stand up for a defenseless individual getting pummeled how can you honestly say that you can stick up for the employees under you when the time would come?
I believe you are letting your personal fears run wild and now want to blame the school.
I am not even close to 6' and have never had a problem standing up for what is right. So don't drag a height requirement into the argument.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by GregW

I guess you missed the entire point. The school is PRIVATE. They can make a rule that must be followed in order to attend. They make the code of conduct and adapt it as needed.

Nope, not missing the point. Rules or no rules, schools should *require* someone it intervene if there is the potential for physical harm to come on you. It should be an individuals choice and hopefully those willing and able, do make the choice to step in.

What exactly am I "blaming" on the school? The school's completely in the right for expelling people that were cheering on and condoning the actions. I'm all for Private institutions doing whatever they want. If they expelled people for wearing shirts that are blue, it'd be their prerogative - don't mean I have to agree with it though.

It is a bit extreme though to compare someone not stepping in on a fight to someone in middle-management not stepping up for their employees.

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

If true that the person getting the whooping stole the shoes then the thief made out better than he should have. If not, then he'd better get his day in court. This is how disagreements used to be settled... no courts, no police. Considering the way things are now, I'm surprised no one got shot or stabbed.

The video stated that some kids were expelled for "not helping the victim". Putting the ethics aside, I didn't know there was a legal obligation to help someone out in a situation like that.

Nine have/were been expelled almost immediately, the one who did the beating and the eight who were at least morally obligated to ask the kid to stop beating the kid who did beating. Plus three more were enroute out the door last I heard.