Biden says Taliban is not our enemy

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You wouldn't know what the alternative is, because they won't talk about it on MSNBC. But here's the alternative...you bring the Taliban to their knees, and at the same time you build up the Afghan security forces. At some point, the Afghanis can handle the Taliban on their own, and then we leave.

Sounds like the Obama Doctrine.

That's the alternative, and it's pretty simple. It's also exactly what is happening. If you weren't such a close-minded, brainwashed lunatic, you'd know that. I guess the liberals you watch don't "challenge their audiences" the way you claim, because if they did, you'd know this.

You think we're bringing the Taliban "to their knees"?

The reports earlier this year were that they were actually getting stronger...

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Sounds like the Obama Doctrine.



You think we're bringing the Taliban "to their knees"?

The reports earlier this year were that they were actually getting stronger...

-spence

"Sounds like the Obama Doctrine"

No, it sounds like Obama is doing exactly what Bush did. Obama made no significant changes to the Afghan strategy that weren't already on the table. If I'm wrong (and I could be), please explain?

Bush comes up with the stratregy, and now that it's working, yuo call it the "Obama doctrine". If we put the "Obama doctrine" in place in Afghanistan, there would be TV commercials telling the poor Afghanis that rich white people were to blame for their problems. That's the "Obama doctrine".

"You think we're bringing the Taliban "to their knees""

They used to rule a country, now they're hiding in caves.

Are they gone? Nope. Are they weakened? You bet. Thanks to heroes like my kid brother, no thanks to folks like you, who bend the events there to advance a political argument.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

No, it sounds like Obama is doing exactly what Bush did. Obama made no significant changes to the Afghan strategy that weren't already on the table. If I'm wrong (and I could be), please explain?

According to Robert Gates bush didn't really have a strategy... in 2009..."I will tell you, I think that the strategy the president [Obama] put forward in late March, is the first real strategy we have had for Afghanistan since the early 1980s," he told CNN. "And that strategy was more about [the] Soviet Union that it was about Afghanistan."

Obama certainly shifted the focus from nation building to counter-terrorism, treating Afghanistan and Pakistan as part of the same problem etc...

If you want I can send you my copy of the Bob Woodward book "Obama's wars" which goes into the process in great detail.

Bush comes up with the stratregy, and now that it's working, yuo call it the "Obama doctrine". If we put the "Obama doctrine" in place in Afghanistan, there would be TV commercials telling the poor Afghanis that rich white people were to blame for their problems. That's the "Obama doctrine".

I think the pile of dead terrorists with OBL at the top is proof enough you're description is a bit off...

They used to rule a country, now they're hiding in caves.

They've been hiding in caves since the USSR leveled all their buildings in the 1980's.

Reality is that the Taliban seem to still be quite strong in the north and east according to the last report I read.

Are they gone? Nope. Are they weakened? You bet. Thanks to heroes like my kid brother, no thanks to folks like you, who bend the events there to advance a political argument.

I appreciate your brother's service, but I can't say I appreciate your incessant childish remarks challenging people's fortitude or patriotism. Perhaps you're just trying to get a rise without the effort required to make a thoughtful post.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

According to Robert Gates bush didn't really have a strategy... in 2009..."I will tell you, I think that the strategy the president [Obama] put forward in late March, is the first real strategy we have had for Afghanistan since the early 1980s," he told CNN. "And that strategy was more about [the] Soviet Union that it was about Afghanistan."

Obama certainly shifted the focus from nation building to counter-terrorism, treating Afghanistan and Pakistan as part of the same problem etc...

If you want I can send you my copy of the Bob Woodward book "Obama's wars" which goes into the process in great detail.


I think the pile of dead terrorists with OBL at the top is proof enough you're description is a bit off...


They've been hiding in caves since the USSR leveled all their buildings in the 1980's.

Reality is that the Taliban seem to still be quite strong in the north and east according to the last report I read.


I appreciate your brother's service, but I can't say I appreciate your incessant childish remarks challenging people's fortitude or patriotism. Perhaps you're just trying to get a rise without the effort required to make a thoughtful post.

-spence

"They've been hiding in caves since the USSR leveled all their buildings in the 1980's."

The Taliban were not hiding in caves on September 10, 2001. They ruled a nation.

Again, there are no limits to the jibberish you will invent to support your agenda, or to dismiss the alternate (sane) agenda. You feel comfortable making it up as you go along. Stunning.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"They've been hiding in caves since the USSR leveled all their buildings in the 1980's."

The Taliban were not hiding in caves on September 10, 2001. They ruled a nation.

Again, there are no limits to the jibberish you will invent to support your agenda, or to dismiss the alternate (sane) agenda. You feel comfortable making it up as you go along. Stunning.

Ahhh, I think I see the problem. You're confusing insight with jibberish.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Ahhh, I think I see the problem. You're confusing insight with jibberish.

-spence

Spence, if there were even a shred of truth to your statement (that the Taliban have been hiding in caves since the Soviets invaded in1980), your comment would be insightful. But your comment is absolutely, demonstrably false. That makes it jibberish, the Taliban controlled Kabul until we drove them out. That you won't admit it's jibberish, even though it's demonstrably false, tells us everything we need to know about you.