all set with chinese chit

[nightfighter]

It's possible, but made very difficult to accomplish. I ask my local lumber yard all the time... See my signature below...

[FormerUser]

There's this idea in today's world that if its not made in the US its made in China.You really can't lump Fein,Heckler and Koch,Toyota and Shimano with the "Made In China" crap,you just can't as all four make some of the finest products in their respective categories.When it comes to guns and power tools I have no issue buying German.When it comes to cars I have no issue buying Toyota.When it comes to fishing reels I buy Shimano.When an American company builds a better sander than my Fein,builds a better light truck than my Tacoma I'll be the first guy in line to buy American.

Guns are different.Germans and Americans make so much damn fine weaponry.An HK91 is an outstanding rifle.There's a reason Fabrigue Nationale exists(and makes our M16s)...the FAL and FNC are the some of the finest rifles on the planet.Fishing reels?Are there any made in the US anymore?Shimano reels are an outstanding product.


These are just a few of the products that simply put are superior in there performance.Other than that I try to buy as much American as I can.I'll never buy a Chinese made apple pie but I will buy their fireworks.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by basswipe

There's this idea in today's world that if its not made in the US its made in China.You really can't lump Fein,Heckler and Koch,Toyota and Shimano with the "Made In China" crap,you just can't as all four make some of the finest products in their respective categories.When it comes to guns and power tools I have no issue buying German.When it comes to cars I have no issue buying Toyota.When it comes to fishing reels I buy Shimano.When an American company builds a better sander than my Fein,builds a better light truck than my Tacoma I'll be the first guy in line to buy American.

Guns are different.Germans and Americans make so much damn fine weaponry.An HK91 is an outstanding rifle.There's a reason Fabrigue Nationale exists(and makes our M16s)...the FAL and FNC are the some of the finest rifles on the planet.Fishing reels?Are there any made in the US anymore?Shimano reels are an outstanding product.


These are just a few of the products that simply put are superior in there performance.Other than that I try to buy as much American as I can.I'll never buy a Chinese made apple pie but I will buy their fireworks.

Well, the fact of the matter is, almost every Toyota sold in the US is built right here, by American workers. So you can feel extra special good about it.

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Well, the fact of the matter is, almost every Toyota sold in the US is built right here, by American workers. So you can feel extra special good about it.

It's true. More of their parts are American made than Ford's. But at least most of those ford parts are made just over the Canadian border, not in China. Also sad that our largest export is gasoline.... Pencil pushers have pushed all our manufacturing offshore.

[GregW]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

It's true. More of their parts are American made than Ford's. But at least most of those ford parts are made just over the Canadian border, not in China. Also sad that our largest export is gasoline.... Pencil pushers have pushed all our manufacturing offshore.

Ross,
Sadly it is the American consumer that pushed the jobs offshore. I always hear people complain that walmart has forced smaller shops out of business. If the consumer never flocked to walmart we would still have the smaller shops and the jobs to go with it. It is truly sad , and I wish more people to a look into what would help the economy and make those choices.


On a seperate note , why do people incorrectly claim that toyota is a "top" vehicle? It has been the most recalled brand for several years. Can't be that "well built" if they have to keep recalling them.

[spence]

Originally Posted by GregW

Ross,
Sadly it is the American consumer that pushed the jobs offshore. I always hear people complain that walmart has forced smaller shops out of business. If the consumer never flocked to walmart we would still have the smaller shops and the jobs to go with it. It is truly sad , and I wish more people to a look into what would help the economy and make those choices.

I'd say it has more to simply do with globalism and market forces. Yes, certainly people's choices have had a big impact, but the path of least resistance to profit will always be there...

On a seperate note , why do people incorrectly claim that toyota is a "top" vehicle? It has been the most recalled brand for several years. Can't be that "well built" if they have to keep recalling them.

Strong "brand identity".

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by GregW

Ross,
Sadly it is the American consumer that pushed the jobs offshore. I always hear people complain that walmart has forced smaller shops out of business. If the consumer never flocked to walmart we would still have the smaller shops and the jobs to go with it. It is truly sad , and I wish more people to a look into what would help the economy and make those choices.

Actually, the consumer is not responsible for net jobs lost by buying from Walmart. The money the consumer saves by buying at Walmart will be spent elsewhere in the economy, creating or saving other jobs.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Actually, the consumer is not responsible for net jobs lost by buying from Walmart. The money the consumer saves by buying at Walmart will be spent elsewhere in the economy, creating or saving other jobs.

I think it's a fair observation that the "big box" stores in general have had a tremendous impact on modeling consumer behavior.

They can both leverage their buying power as well as squeeze the manufacturer to reduce costs. While the consumer might see an increase in variety and cheaper prices, the flip side is lower quality products or people buying junk they really don't need...while still racking up a lot of debt.

-spence

[GregW]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Actually, the consumer is not responsible for net jobs lost by buying from Walmart. The money the consumer saves by buying at Walmart will be spent elsewhere in the economy, creating or saving other jobs.

No, actually that is completely wrong. The economy is run by many factors , not just one purchase.

First example, consumer spending is often driven by confidence. Confidence is closely related to the unemployment rate. Walmart is the worse offenders off forcing companies to go offshore to produce products at the price that walmart demands. When there are massive job losses it causes a problem in two ways. Those that are laid off don't have money to spend and those that do have jobs don;t have the same confidence, therefore not spending as much money as before.

Second reason: Walmart does not pay a viable wage. When supermarkets have unions (and I am not arguing for or against them) they can not compete price wise and may be forced out. Those employees went from making a livable wage to being forced into a low wage by the only place in town.

Do you work for walmart?

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Actually, the consumer is not responsible for net jobs lost by buying from Walmart. The money the consumer saves by buying at Walmart will be spent elsewhere in the economy, creating or saving other jobs.

no, they just buy a larger quantity of crap

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by GregW

Ross,
Sadly it is the American consumer that pushed the jobs offshore. I always hear people complain that walmart has forced smaller shops out of business. If the consumer never flocked to walmart we would still have the smaller shops and the jobs to go with it. It is truly sad , and I wish more people to a look into what would help the economy and make those choices.

I find that hard to believe

The consumer can't resist the carrot of lower prices dangled in front of them.
people make 10 to 30 grand a year and want their dollar to stretch as far as possible so they get more quantity because of a lower price.

it's turned us into a throw away society since all the crap breaks or does not last, not to mention is obsolete as technology advances.

I'd like to be able to buy products made right here in the USA when I can. the more companies choose to ship their manufacturing over seas, the harder that is to continue. Now just about the only way to buy an American woodworking machine, is to get an old used one if you can find it. the chinese crap is junk for the most part

[Saltheart]

[QUOTE=basswipe;911310].An HK91 is an outstanding rifle.QUOTE]