Mass Striper decline numbers from NOAA

[JackK]

Originally Posted by Rob Rockcrawler

Why is it that the Cod regulations are going to be a lot tighter in the coming years but there is little talk about any meaningful change in the striper take. Since both the numbers come from NOAA i would think they would both be worthy of taking action.

Cod are managed federally by NOAA, SB are managed by state.

Originally Posted by big jay

NOAA also claimed that recreational fisherman caught more codfish than the entire commercial fleet (you know, the draggers, gill netters, and tub trawlers) and most all of that occurred in the last 2 weeks of April (when 90% of rec boats aren't even in the water).

To call NOAA's data collection unreliable is a hideous understatement.
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I was at the meeting on Friday, and this was addressed... Rauch said that data in particular has been updated, and it's not nearly as high as initially reported. Maybe BP can chime in on that one.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by JackK

Cod are managed federally by NOAA, SB are managed by state.



I was at the meeting on Friday, and this was addressed... Rauch said that data in particular has been updated, and it's not nearly as high as initially reported. Maybe BP can chime in on that one.

Horsehockey! they haven't rerun the numbers and they have even said they won't re run the numbers. NMFS is going to stick with the new assessment, warts and all, and that's what we are all going to have to live with.

[fatcow]

The bass are staying with the bait. Most fish are not migrating this far up. All the pogies stay south while we have sandeels. Why would u give
up prime rib for steak ums. 2 years ago everyone was pumped up about how the canal was red hot, macks everywhere same went for cape cod bay. Last year no macks no bait less fish people cry crash. Fish need a sustainable food supply to survive if there no food why stay in one area. They go were the food is.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by fatcow

The bass are staying with the bait. Most fish are not migrating this far up. All the pogies stay south while we have sandeels. Why would u give
up prime rib for steak ums. 2 years ago everyone was pumped up about how the canal was red hot, macks everywhere same went for cape cod bay. Last year no macks no bait less fish people cry crash. Fish need a sustainable food supply to survive if there no food why stay in one area. They go were the food is.

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Bs. Western LIS was filled with bunker all spring through June. We had more herring than anytime in 15 years. There are less bass. It is beyond any reasonable argument.

[MAKAI]

Originally Posted by fatcow

The bass are staying with the bait. Most fish are not migrating this far up. All the pogies stay south while we have sandeels. Why would u give
up prime rib for steak ums. 2 years ago everyone was pumped up about how the canal was red hot, macks everywhere same went for cape cod bay. Last year no macks no bait less fish people cry crash. Fish need a sustainable food supply to survive if there no food why stay in one area. They go were the food is.

A lot more at play here than just bait.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by fatcow

All the pogies stay south while we have sandeels.

Not true at all. You are way off on the pogies. Narragansett Bay had more pogies and they stayed longer than anytime in the past 40 years. The banning of the pogie boats from the upper Bay, EG, Bristol and the Providence River had a dramatic effect on the numbers of pogies. Hell, EG Bay had millions of adult pogies into November.

The Bass are in trouble, have been in trouble for 6 years and it will continue to get worse. I lived thru the moratorium in the 80s and helped with the recovery. I'm now 64 and probably will not live long enough to see another recovery.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fatcow

Last year no macks no bait less fish people cry crash. Fish need a sustainable food supply to survive if there no food why stay in one area. They go were the food is.

No macks? There were thick schools of macks off the Race for almost the entire season. By your theory, we should have had more stripers than we knew what to do with.

Me thinks there's more to it than just bait.

[JackK]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

Horsehockey! they haven't rerun the numbers and they have even said they won't re run the numbers. NMFS is going to stick with the new assessment, warts and all, and that's what we are all going to have to live with.

Sorry, that's just not true. In terms of the overall garm assessment, yes, its being used. In terms of the specific April data, its been revisited. One set of data does not an entire model make
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[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by JackK

Sorry, that's just not true. In terms of the overall garm assessment, yes, its being used. In terms of the specific April data, its been revisited. One set of data does not an entire model make
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The ONLY thing that matters is the stock assessment, everything else is based on that, and they have not changed the numbers in the stock assessment.

[Clammer]

& you believe their assessment of the stock ????

There the ones . that were going to increase the commercial harvest , etc
Until both Commercial & rec went B/S ................................. then they did a 180 reverse & said the bass were in trouble & they laid out plans for changes in the current laws to reduce the catch ........ either by size or tonnage or both .
Then a [HAPPENING} . a good year class in 2011 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrap that plan ..everything is status quo ........... Just figure the opposite of whatever they tell ya

[afterhours]

McFly- GAMEFISH STATUS and 1 @36"

[Chunkah]

Originally Posted by afterhours

McFy- GAMEFISH STATUS and 1 @36"

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