Striper Bill Feb 28, MA State House

[Fly Rod]

[B]GREED!!!!!!![/B] The millions of pounds that the recreational catch is devasting. Slam bam em from shore over the rocks take the hook out of the juenile fish and throw them back in over and on the rocks. At least give em an aspirin before releasing.

U so called recs have been destroying the fisheries.

[Haus]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

[B]GREED!!!!!!![/B] The millions of pounds that the recreational catch is devasting. Slam bam em from shore over the rocks take the hook out of the juenile fish and throw them back in over and on the rocks. At least give em an aspirin before releasing.

U so called recs have been destroying the fisheries.

I'm a recreational fisherman and I understand why you think that way, but at the same time there are many rec guys like myself that are nowhere near like that. I see the goons out there and it pisses me off. I hate the kill tournaments, they piss me off too. But I also hate the "com" guys that are not really commercial fishermen. I know plenty of "com" guys that are not really commercial fishermen. They are not making a living off fishing for stripers or any other fish.
I can just easily turn around and say something negative about real com fishing, but the stupid back and forth banter gets us nowhere.
I'm for rec and com guys reducing their limit. Nobody has a right to these fish. They just need to be managed better.

[Sea Dangles]

Bravo

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Haus

I'm a recreational fisherman and I understand why you think that way, but at the same time there are many rec guys like myself that are nowhere near like that. I see the goons out there and it pisses me off. I hate the kill tournaments, they piss me off too. But I also hate the "com" guys that are not really commercial fishermen. I know plenty of "com" guys that are not really commercial fishermen. They are not making a living off fishing for stripers or any other fish.
I can just easily turn around and say something negative about real com fishing, but the stupid back and forth banter gets us nowhere.
I'm for rec and com guys reducing their limit. Nobody has a right to these fish. They just need to be managed better.

You sure have alot of Hate and are a bit blinded by it... Youre a rec guy that sees things only one way, and just like stripersforever, who do have good intentions by the way, but arent addressing the real problem. Rec, com, charter, boat, surf should all be working together even though its not the case. If Stripersforever had a common cause I would join. Stripersforever guys think that if they shut down Mass com season they will have fish back how they were before, end of story. I com fished a few years through 2010 by the way.... Will they then give bonus tags to the rec guys in order to keep their Com Quota? Or will that Alocation go to a state like VA???
As A Charter Captain I take Recs Out... They complain about the coms, yet not one releases a fish until they catch their limit? The first question they ask is, "How many can we Keep?" No we put 20, 30, 40 plus fish in the boat and you let me see you try to explain to those guys that the Striped Bass Stock is about to collapse! Everybody makes money off these fish, rec, com, boat, surf, tackle manufactures, hotels, tackle shops, restaurants, boat companies, poachers, etc. Who could afford to fish at $5.00 a gallon, driving or boating???

[Haus]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

You sure have alot of Hate and are a bit blinded by it... Youre a rec guy that sees things only one way, and just like stripersforever, who do have good intentions by the way, but arent addressing the real problem. Rec, com, charter, boat, surf should all be working together even though its not the case. If Stripersforever had a common cause I would join. Stripersforever guys think that if they shut down Mass com season they will have fish back how they were before, end of story. I com fished a few years through 2010 by the way.... Will they then give bonus tags to the rec guys in order to keep their Com Quota? Or will that Alocation go to a state like VA???
As A Charter Captain I take Recs Out... They complain about the coms, yet not one releases a fish until they catch their limit? The first question they ask is, "How many can we Keep?" No we put 20, 30, 40 plus fish in the boat and you let me see you try to explain to those guys that the Striped Bass Stock is about to collapse! Everybody makes money off these fish, rec, com, boat, surf, tackle manufactures, hotels, tackle shops, restaurants, boat companies, poachers, etc. Who could afford to fish at $5.00 a gallon, driving or boating???

I have a lot of hate? Did you read my post? I said in the end we need better mangement and less bickering. I want better mangement with everybody still enjoying what they do.
The people I disagree with, NOT HATE, are the people who kill these fish in excess. Understand?

[CowHunter]

I see the goons out there and it pisses me off. I hate the kill tournaments, they piss me off too. But I also hate the "com" guys that are not really commercial fishermen. I know plenty of "com" guys that are not really commercial fishermen. They are not making a living off fishing for stripers or any other fish.


Your words above.... Those Comm guys arent complaining about the lack of fish, niether are the goons...


By the way who kills most of the striped Bass???

http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/sos/spsyn/...es/fig40_2.gif

[nightfighter]

In my opinion,

Biggest impact would be to reduce limit to one per day.

Second ring I would grab for would be to up the minimum size to 32". Comms are at 34" and there is no way you can get 36" until that is changed.

I am undecided as to the commercial question. But I would like to see it limited to Mass residents only. The commercial fisheries is so effed up it isn't funny, on both the management and the fishermen's sides. We have all seen what a few pogie boats did a few years ago, the net pairs off the beach in RI, and the fleet pillaging Stellwagen as I type..... They need to provide for their families too, but no one has been able to make all parties agree on a solution for the big picture.

I would like to hear some input from BasicPatrick, who has committed the past five years to working against bycatch and other wasteful practices destroying all the sea's resources.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

In my opinion,

Biggest impact would be to reduce limit to one per day.

Second ring I would grab for would be to up the minimum size to 32". Comms are at 34" and there is no way you can get 36" until that is changed.

I am undecided as to the commercial question. But I would like to see it limited to Mass residents only. The commercial fisheries is so effed up it isn't funny, on both the management and the fishermen's sides. We have all seen what a few pogie boats did a few years ago, the net pairs off the beach in RI, and the fleet pillaging Stellwagen as I type..... They need to provide for their families too, but no one has been able to make all parties agree on a solution for the big picture.

I would like to hear some input from BasicPatrick, who has committed the past five years to working against bycatch and other wasteful practices destroying all the sea's resources.

I agree that the one a day limit would make the biggest impact, 32, 34, or 36 inch fish would do... And many saw what the 36" 1 a day did in the early 90's. As far as residents only for Mass com I dont see the fuss, agian that would be selective to a specific group. I by the way did not renew my Mass Com license in 2011, more money in OT back home with no overhead. I really dont know what the fuss is about, the local economy makes out by these out of state com guys or part time com guys. there were what 2500 some odd mass permit holders that did not sell a fish $400 x 2500 + $1,000,000 to the state... no brainer. The same 10 Percent are doing the quota every year regardless...

[Haus]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

I see the goons out there and it pisses me off. I hate the kill tournaments, they piss me off too. But I also hate the "com" guys that are not really commercial fishermen. I know plenty of "com" guys that are not really commercial fishermen. They are not making a living off fishing for stripers or any other fish.



Your words above.... Those Comm guys arent complaining about the lack of fish, niether are the goons...

By the way who kills most of the striped Bass???

http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/sos/spsyn/...es/fig40_2.gif

Yea, I do not like those things I listed. They are no good. Just don't lump everybody into the same category. Im a rec fishermen but I haven't kept or killed a fish in years.
Again, they need to be managed better. Com licenses need to go only to com fishermen, not weekend warriors.
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[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Haus

Yea, I do not like those things I listed. They are no good. Just don't lump everybody into the same category. Im a rec fishermen but I haven't kept or killed a fish in years.
Again, they need to be managed better. Com licenses need to go only to com fishermen, not weekend warriors.
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I understand how you feel....You be the judge of whats good and No good.... They are your fish, how dare those googans and rod reel com guys!!!! You obviously can go out to fish for pleasure, catch and release, and afford to do it, Private plane to Block, Cutty, MV?????? Many rec guys do like to bring something home for the table to eat. Its nice of you to dictate who is deserving of a license... I enjoyed having my mass com license selling 600-900lbs a day in 3 hours 3 days a week it was stupid easy... Let the weekenders have 5 fish on Sundays to themselves, maybe they should get rid of sundays??? You see how happy I am releasing fish in my avatar????

[nightfighter]

Bottomline here is money.... So when you go to our illustrious statehouse, see if you can figure out where the casino industry's $11.4 million in lobbying money went. Not trying to discourage folks from attending, but you should know the reality of how things work up there. I'll bet the minutes of the meeting could be typed up today. They know which way it is going to go.....

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Bottomline here is money.... So when you go to our illustrious statehouse, see if you can figure out where the casino industry's $11.4 million in lobbying money went. Not trying to discourage folks from attending, but you should know the reality of how things work up there. I'll bet the minutes of the meeting could be typed up today. They know which way it is going to go.....

Of Course they do... Its already a done deal...

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Haus

Yea, I do not like those things I listed. They are no good. Just don't lump everybody into the same category. Im a rec fishermen but I haven't kept or killed a fish in years.
Again, they need to be managed better. Com licenses need to go only to com fishermen, not weekend warriors.
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Have you caught any big enough to legally keep and eat??? You ever fish outside one spot in Mass???