Striper Bill Feb 28, MA State House

[Haus]

CH, I said the ones that kill an excessive amount. Googans, I refer to the people that treat the schoolies poorly by just ch#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g them back in after ripping out the trebles. You are spinning my words around. When I say managed better, you are putting adding how I think they should be managed. You are way off base and interpret what people write the way you want to. You just want to argue with people. Everybody is should be allowed to fish, I feel...which is an opinion, that the bass need to be protected (managed) BETTER! Wow, I cannot believe how many times I have to say the same thing over and over.
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[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Haus

CH, I said the ones that kill an excessive amount. Googans, I refer to the people that treat the schoolies poorly by just ch#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g them back in after ripping out the trebles. You are spinning my words around. When I say managed better, you are putting adding how I think they should be managed. You are way off base and interpret what people write the way you want to. You just want to argue with people. Everybody is should be allowed to fish, I feel...which is an opinion, that the bass need to be protected (managed) BETTER! Wow, I cannot believe how many times I have to say the same thing over and over.
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I read what you said, black and white. It was simple, yet obvious. I think all of us on this board agree that there are better ways to manage the fishery state to state which is unbiased, fair to everybody and foremost, ultimately best for a healthy striped bass fishery. I few very wealthy C&R Radicals at Stripersforever do not know whats best, it will not bring back striperst to the saco or kennebec like it was! You want it to go to legislature? You want somebody like Obama, Palin, Santorum, Romney, Gingrich to decide whats best? Seriously???? Next the whole south shore of RI will be closed to rec or com fishing, or the back beach... Let our government decide, they are competent????

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Haus

CH, I said the ones that kill an excessive amount. Googans, I refer to the people that treat the schoolies poorly by just ch#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g them back in after ripping out the trebles. You are spinning my words around. When I say managed better, you are putting adding how I think they should be managed. You are way off base and interpret what people write the way you want to. You just want to argue with people. Everybody is should be allowed to fish, I feel...which is an opinion, that the bass need to be protected (managed) BETTER! Wow, I cannot believe how many times I have to say the same thing over and over.
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Look at the Chart, you can see who kills an excessive amount, you especially want to quota NOAA....

[Haus]

Did I say I want the government to decide? NO. Stop putting words in my mouth. You're unbelievable! I just want better management for the stock so future generations can fish for these fish.
let me ask you something. Do you think that stripers should only be used for a profit? Example: guides, party boat businesses, and commercial?? That is how I your statements adding up. You seem to think they are only good to profit off of. How do u like getting words put in your mouth?
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[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Haus

Did I say I want the government to decide? NO. Stop putting words in my mouth. You're unbelievable! I just want better management for the stock so future generations can fish for these fish.
let me ask you something. Do you think that stripers should only be used for a profit? Example: guides, party boat businesses, and commercial?? That is how I your statements adding up. You seem to think they are only good to profit off of. How do u like getting words put in your mouth?
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You are preaching stripersforever, What do you think stripersforever is trying to do, who do they want to decide?!?!?!?! And no I dont think stripers should only be for Profit, Unfortunately in this day and age it is a luxury to do it fo fun, Most can't afford it! More recs sell fish black market than the Mass com quota. I guide for $ and for enjoyment, I rec fish strictly for enjoyment, I used to Com fish strictly for money, and I used to do kill and release tournaments for money and enjoyment. Confused??? Yeah, and NJ is a Gamefish State on Striperforever Page. They just gave the com quota to recs and kill more SB than any other state...

[Haus]

CH, how am I preaching stripersforever when I feel everybody can enjoy the fish but we need better management?
Also, I've seen dirt poor people fishing stripers for fun. Not sure why u think u need a lot cash to do it. I love surffishing and I haven't broken the bank on it.
Im a realist. Stripers will never be a gamefish and that is what stripersforever wants, so again, how am I preaching SF?
I JUST WANT THERE TO BE MORE FISH FOR ALL!
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[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Haus

CH, how am I preaching stripersforever when I feel everybody can enjoy the fish but we need better management?
Also, I've seen dirt poor people fishing stripers for fun. Not sure why u think u need a lot cash to do it. I love surffishing and I haven't broken the bank on it.
Im a realist. Stripers will never be a gamefish and that is what stripersforever wants, so again, how am I preaching SF?
I JUST WANT THERE TO BE MORE FISH FOR ALL!
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We ALL Want more Fish, I love surf fishing and boat fishing, Unfortunately it has become a very expensive hobby... Real Plain and simple, who is proposing this "Bill"??? STRIPERSFOREVER! You want people to support Stripersforever and their agenda... SF: Slogan: Got FlyRod, Slots and Grey poupon????this is another go round...
Striped Bass is a Gamefish in NJ.. Its rec guys only, allowed 3 fish at 28", is that SF's idea of a gamefish??? Ive never seen so many dead Bass like here... Biggest problem is finding big enough coolers...

[Haus]

Whoever is sponsoring it, I wasn't sure of that. If anybody was to ask me, I believe recs and coms just need to take less. Cannot get more simplier than that.
Oh, and cannot keep anything over 38". Just my thoughts on that.
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[CowHunter]

[QUOTE=Haus;922097]Anybody going? I will try to go as long as my little boy is feeling good after his surgeries on Friday.

Hearings are scheduled for the three bills backed by SF in the MA Legislature in Room B-1 in the Statehouse Bldg on Beacon Hill in Boston on Feb 28th at 11:00 AM. We must have as many people attend and speak in favor of these bills as possible.

You are well aware that this bill is backed by StripersForever, (Big Advocates of Slot Limits). Your words above... I dont think a single person here has a problem with recs and coms taking less... Unfortunately SF has a different agenda...


You belong to an organization obviously, know what they stand for.

[Haus]

No, I'm not. Just because I said SF is backing it doesn't mean I knew they sponsored it. Backing and sponsoring is diff to me. Did they write up the Bill? I don't know that either. How am I "for" SF if I cont agree with everything they say? Im just a guy that uses common sense to try and get the striper population increased and sustained. I love surffishing late at night and year after year it is disappering for me.
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[Haus]

CH, every single thing you have said about me is wrong. Would ya just give up on calling me out on every little thing. You're wrong and will remain to be wrong. If you want to dispell everything I say, why don't you give me your idea on how to increase the stock or what ur opinions are? Stop trying to disprove me and give me your ideas.
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[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Haus

No, I'm not. Just because I said SF is backing it doesn't mean I knew they sponsored it. Backing and sponsoring is diff to me. Did they write up the Bill? I don't know that either. How am I "for" SF if I cont agree with everything they say? Im just a guy that uses common sense to try and get the striper population increased and sustained. I love surffishing late at night and year after year it is disappering for me.
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I understand now... "Backing" and "sponsering" two different things. Why Promote Stripers Forever then? Trying to rid of googans or weekend rod and reel com guys because you hate them kind of selfish and wrong if you ask me.... Good luck with your agenda....

[Haus]

You're out of your mind. Go talk crazy on some othe site.
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[Haus]

Again, I never said I wanted to get ride of certain groups. I did say I didn't like them. Again, u are spinning my words.
You are unbelievable and unable to have a normal discussion.
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[Chunkah]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

We ALL Want more Fish, I love surf fishing and boat fishing, Unfortunately it has become a very expensive hobby... Real Plain and simple, who is proposing this "Bill"??? STRIPERSFOREVER! You want people to support Stripersforever and their agenda... SF: Slogan: Got FlyRod, Slots and Grey poupon????this is another go round...
Striped Bass is a Gamefish in NJ.. Its rec guys only, allowed 3 fish at 28", is that SF's idea of a gamefish??? Ive never seen so many dead Bass like here... Biggest problem is finding big enough coolers...

Hey CW...do you support 3 @ 28"? Seems like overkill to me.

Also, the bills that will be proposed on the 28th are proposed by various State Reps, not by Stripers Forever.

[thefishingfreak]

I think he speaks perfect sense. You posted a thread about the bills coming to the Massachusetts state house, written and orchestrated by SF and their agenda. Calling comms greedy pigs for not backing it.
SF can go back to Maine and worry about their own state. Massachusetts is doin a fine job without another states radical organization cramming their bills down our throats. if this bill gets thrown out SF will be right back to the massachusetts state house trying to get it passed another way. Waisting our states tax dollars.
Again....
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[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Chunkah

Hey CW...do you support 3 @ 28"? Seems like overkill to me.

Also, the bills that will be proposed on the 28th are proposed by various State Reps, not by Stripers Forever.

I do not support 3 at 28", never have.. 1 fish limit for charter and rec guys is ideal. SF has been behind this for a few years now, throwing alot of money at it. State reps, think government is best solution?

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Haus

You're out of your mind. Go talk crazy on some othe site.
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Go Preach stripers Forever and their agenda while not even knowing you are??? Like FishingFreak said, mass has been doing just fine managing their fishery while ME is a DISASTER....

[Haus]

OK
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[derekl]

Greed is the overall problem here and will never get settled comm guys say everything is fine and if they dont get there money they wont be able to pay there bills. Join the club part time comm guys say they need the money or they cant keep there nice boat and mostlikey truck without making that extra money
Rec guys want to be able to keep catching fish for the next 50 years and want the fish for ourselfs

So here is my problem

Com guys there are other fish out there you can catch

Part time com guys if you cant aflrd the boat and the gas maybe you should get rid of the big boat and big truck

Rec guys well you just sit idle for a while whe. There isnt anything to fish for you can say i told you so and catch them for the sport you love not for the money you need. But the.kicker is if the fishing goes south the com guys wont be fishing anymore and the part timers who couldnt afford the.boat and gas wont have there boats anymore either
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[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by derekl

Greed is the overall problem here and will never get settled comm guys say everything is fine and if they dont get there money they wont be able to pay there bills. Join the club part time comm guys say they need the money or they cant keep there nice boat and mostlikey truck without making that extra money
Rec guys want to be able to keep catching fish for the next 50 years and want the fish for ourselfs

So here is my problem

Com guys there are other fish out there you can catch

Part time com guys if you cant aflrd the boat and the gas maybe you should get rid of the big boat and big truck

Rec guys well you just sit idle for a while whe. There isnt anything to fish for you can say i told you so and catch them for the sport you love not for the money you need. But the.kicker is if the fishing goes south the com guys wont be fishing anymore and the part timers who couldnt afford the.boat and gas wont have there boats anymore either
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Rec Guys: Have $$$ but Can always sell fish black market and make some extra $$$ but dont need it.

Com Guys: Can always sell fish Black Market and make more money, there are plenty of other fisheries to make $$$ if SB goes south.

Part Time Com Guys :Have money, Bass is bonus $$$ to keep extra nice boat and truck, can sell black market and get double Ma price black market and get even nicer boat, truck...

[Chunkah]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

I do not support 3 at 28", never have.. 1 fish limit for charter and rec guys is ideal. SF has been behind this for a few years now, throwing alot of money at it. State reps, think government is best solution?

I agree that 1 a day is ideal and is what I would like to see happen here in MA....1 @ 36"

So SF supports the 3 @ 28" in NJ? Is there any documentation to that effect? That would greatly discredit them wouldn't it?

[Chunkah]

CW...I'm happy to answer whatever you ask but I'm really not sure what this means...

"State reps, think government is best solution?"

Thanks

[Haus]

The striped bass stock will only go south if we let it. There is no reason it should go south.
Let's just say surf fishing was overwith becuz stripers didn't come close to shore anymore, like cod, haddock and pollack. That would totally put a huge dent in many fishing suppliers pocket. It would have a ripple affect much worse that a few regulations to help save the striper population.
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[derekl]

So you agree that com guys are greedy and instead of managing things so everyone can enjoy them you someone who makes money off killing the fish as many ways as possible should be able to.do.so untill there is nothing for anyone

And your research on this is that you found one large pod of fish so everything is fine even though you said that SF destroyed the fishing and it still hasnt gotten back to the way it was
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[derekl]

Hows this its the peoples fish 1 fish per person per day how ever big you want it to be do with it what ever you want for everyone up and down the striper coast

Now you will say that isnt fair but what isnt fair about it everyone gets the same amount
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[MikeToole]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

I do not support 3 at 28", never have.. 1 fish limit for charter and rec guys is ideal. SF has been behind this for a few years now, throwing alot of money at it. State reps, think government is best solution?

Since you support cutting the rec limit in half, do you also support cutting the commercial quota by half?

[stripermaineiac]

Well fishinfreak an cowhunter I've been a member of Stripers Unlimited,CCA,Stripers Forever,RFA an many local an state clubs. Don't ever remember striper forever supporting stupidity like 3 fish 28 in as its a group to preserve the fish not kill more.All the way back in the 70's it was the same I make a buck off the fish so there are loads of them.Sport fishermen do catch an kill more fish. DAAAA there are only a few million more of them than there are comms. So they will. but percentage wise the few comms kill a higher singular number as far as number of fish killed per angler.How many a day for a comm. MMMMMM a heck of a lot more than 1 or 2 per sportfishermen per day. The quote googans that keep a lot of illegals mostly have a difficult time speakin english so much of that is only knowing what they know from where they came from . to many of them it truly is just for food till they learn our customs.Catch n release to them is like heardin cows to the farm then lettin them go before killin then for meat.thats not fixable for a long time to come.But excess is just that. There is no parety in numbers an percentage for comm an sport as one group is given a much higher catch per angler than the other. Now if comms can only keep 1 or 2 fish like the rest of us well MMMMM might be something to think on. C+R well many of us do that already.I've still not heard the comms say they'll take any cutbacks at all but are very quick to say sports are the problem an should stop wasting political time n money trying to take steps to preserve the Striped Bass.Bob Pond said it best long ago. As long as there is a bounty on the Stripers they will always be exployted an overfished.So many of us now just release about all we catch that it's gonna be harder to do much more than we already do. so we try to educate an speak a bit of reason so we don't end up back where we were in the 80's. But today as back then those small numbers that sell stripers still try to ignore all the rest of what is said. We used to have huge schools of stripers all along the striper coast now there are just a couple left. Food used to be a valid argument but the last couple yrs the ammount of bait up n down the coast is huge.Herrin an macks are all over the place. Sardines are coming back. sand eels are again found in the sand on many beaches. But few or no stripers. Just because someone is catching them in their back yard does not mean that the thousands of anglers not seeing them are all wrong. WE NEED TO PUT THE BRAKES ON TO KEEP IT FROM GETTIN WORSE.EVERYONE needs to cut back.I have a Charte liscence. I dictate what happens on my boat and the shore trips I do my best to teach people conservation minded fishing so their kids can do it too someday.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

Rec Guys: Have $$$ but Can always sell fish black market and make some extra $$$ but dont need it.

Com Guys: Can always sell fish Black Market and make more money, there are plenty of other fisheries to make $$$ if SB goes south.

Part Time Com Guys :Have money, Bass is bonus $$$ to keep extra nice boat and truck, can sell black market and get double Ma price black market and get even nicer boat, truck...

So basically you're saying you support poaching.

[Mr. Sandman]

comm vs rec.

This is all NMFS fault. The "user group" theory is just dumb and it does not work. Further, the entire fishery system is deeply flawed. My God, they even have the Codfish as their emblem fish and now that is headed into catastrophe, how fitting.

The banner below says it all on how to fix this problem. Bite the bullet and just do it. end of story.